However, I am glad this happened. New Linux Ambassadors will step up and this issue will be buried into the alternative social media communities such as Mastodon, never to be heard of again.
I disagree that Framework will lose a meaningful amount of business over this.
Too bad. I think the offer to talk is a respectful move. The CEO doesn't seem to be trying to fob them off, unlike Mozilla's recent translator mess.
I, and I would imagine many, are tired of this sort of binary thinking. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution. Society can't function like this.
Why can't they choose political activism? What on earth binds them to a corporate entity and over-rides their agency?
If you want to step up and be an Ambassador, go for it! But if you think they should be compelled to do so, that's an ideological/political point of view of yours and you need to substantiate it.
>Why can't they choose political activism? What on earth binds them to a corporate entity and over-rides their agency?
For the same reasons you don't want Christians proselytizing at work, or using a company's platform to talk about their Lord and savior.
These are two people stepping down from community position because they don't agree with actions/direction of the project. There is nothing bizarre about that. They posted why they don't agree and that's it.
In today's post-truth landscape, words no longer mean their literal meaning, but are used as weapons.
The person you were replying to is very much aware that they are not literally a political activist. However, they find their positions so disagreeable that they want to label them as political activists because it creates a very specific connotation in people's heads.
It is about the furthest thing from a good faith framing that you can possibly get. But it's pretty par for course on Hacker News.
Terminally online leftism.
> This is not a “I do not like this distribution” kind of argument.
> This is a “the people you are sending my money to want me and my friends dead or deported” kind of argument.
from: https://community.frame.work/t/framework-supporting-far-righ...
Beyond the disappointment I have in framework for giving my money to someone so clearly off the rails, it's also disappointing to see it wasted on such a poor distribution as well. Omarchy, in isolation, is just a bloated arch install with thrown together scripts, zoom, spotify, and google apps preinstalled. I appreciate that it brought new people into linux but there are countless more polished and creative distributions that would be excellent to see partner with framework instead.
Don't forget the pre-installed Basecamp and Hey!
2. Everything we do is political, tech is VERY political, stop daydreaming.
A tolerant society cannot tolerate intolerance lest it gets destroyed by it.
Please have a read of the guidelines and try to keep things conversational in future. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
bfkwlfkjf•3mo ago
I have no idea what this was supposed to mean.
fragmede•3mo ago
ffsm8•3mo ago
People that unironically use that word are generally better ignored. And after reading the linked comment thread they're trying to portrait as problematic... I can only say that framework is better off without them. They're not in a healthy mindset and will inevitably drum up controversy for asinine things, worsening the image of Framework
bfkwlfkjf•3mo ago
fragmede•3mo ago
sjfkeifj•3mo ago
When I protest that LLMs stole the collective creative output of all of humanity and are now trying to sell it back to us to supplant human creative output, or that it is an ecological, or economic, disaster, further consolidating wealth and power in a few narcissistic sociopaths, and defendants reply, "bUt ThE CApAbIlitIEs!!1!"
api•3mo ago
The same indictment can be made about search companies and social media: that they are monetizing others work without compensation.
Or is there something about the tech that requires that it be deployed in this way?
My position is that LLMs trained without proper copyright authorization should not be copyrightable. They should be public domain.
As for the energy use: we either get our energy from polluting sources or we don’t. What we do with it is secondary. If we’re not using it to run AI we’d be using it to get a burrito delivered.
sjfkeifj•3mo ago
omnimus•3mo ago
Or maybe the companies broke the law, lobbied as much as possible, broke the law more, then bribed anyone with political power until they got to god emperor himself who said “this is progress”. And everything was just fine.
But that would mean that technology is political issue.
api•3mo ago
api•3mo ago
I hate watching fascism take over, and that’s why I hate this kind of leftist purity culture. It’s a big thing pushing people to the right.
Of course the far right does it too, which pushes people back the other way I guess.
The present day left and right are like having one obnoxious self righteous asshole screaming in each ear. I have never in my life seen the public discourse in worse shape.
sjfkeifj•3mo ago
The right wing fascist culture is the left's fault, sure kiddo.
If you like fascism just be proud and say, "I am a fascist."
Who do you think will actually believe you when you say "I hated fascism until the leftists made me like fascism" anyway?
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bitwize•3mo ago
Western: of or pertaining to the part of the world where the dominant culture is European (most of it colonized)
Patriarchal: of or pertaining to male-dominated society
Narrative: a story we tell ourselves to impart meaning to the world
Technology in itself is not political: the false (see "narrative" above) idea that technology is politically "neutral" and that the mere existence or use of a technology does not in and of itself reinforce domination or oppression
throwawaypath•3mo ago