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Australia has so much solar that it's offering everyone free electricity

https://electrek.co/2025/11/04/australia-has-so-much-solar-that-its-offering-everyone-free-electricity-3h-day/
71•ohjeez•1h ago

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cowboy_henk•48m ago
* only in the middle of the day, when the real price of that electricity may be negative, so it's still sold at a profit
willvarfar•46m ago
Yes the article talks about consumers scheduling things like washing machines during the day, or even filling up a battery.
mikeyouse•41m ago
They could also run their AC to below where their normal set point would be to “bank” some of the free electricity. I wonder if we’ll start seeing other more passive energy sinks… if you lived in a hot area and could rely on several hours of free electricity each day, it enables all sorts of interesting options like turning on a secondary cooling system to “charge” a large boulder or hunk of metal that you could then pass air over to cool your house when energy is expensive again.
ch4s3•39m ago
If you built homes with a lot of thermal mass, you could cool the internal thermal mass when energy is $0 and have that mass absorb heat the rest of the day. This is sort of the principle a lot of traditional architecture uses where evaporation, wind over a courtyard, or nighttime lows cool thick walls.
mikeyouse•36m ago
Yep, our house was built like this but in a cooler climate (large windows facing south with the all of the stone flooring and surfaces getting direct sunlight in the winter). But since most houses in the Aussie suburbs aren’t really optimized for this, you’d have to retrofit many million houses to take full advantage. Opens up some interesting opportunities for sure.
BtM909•41m ago
More countries where there's a surplus, are advising people to charge or use electricity during the day.
bee_rider•23m ago
This is the “smart grid” idea, right? We just haven’t fully explored it yet.

Something I firmly believe is that there’s a ton of low hanging fruit for timing our energy use better. It is just hidden by the desire to present a uniform energy price.

Like why not run our water heaters when power is cheap? Then if that became a thing, we might even be interested in larger water heater tanks. Batteries cost per volume, you only pay for the surface are of a metal tank!

ch4s3•40m ago
This seems like a great way to encourage the behavior you want, which is conserving when energy is emitting more carbon by shifting consumption. Do your laundry, charge a car, charge a whole house batter, run laundry, crank the AC, run your own aluminum smelter, whatever.
RobinL•25m ago
In the UK, you can go on an agile tariff that does exactly this. I'm on one.

It's quite fun (and educational) with the kids to work out when to put the car on to charge, when to run the dryer etc, looking at the few days ahead forecasts.

Last month, we paid 11p per kWh on average, which is less than half what you'd pay on a standard tariff, and it's nice to be doing something good for the environment too. It's particularly satisfying to charge up the car when tariffs go negative.

notatoad•39m ago
still sounds like an incredible way to incentivize consumers to buy small-scale storage. if i knew i could get free electricity for an hour or two each day (or even each week) it'd be a very easy choice to drop ~$1000 on a home battery.
willvarfar•47m ago
Ignoring the politics, we have to say that China has done the world collectively as a whole a major service in strategically developing and mass producing super cheap solar panels.
hangonhn•38m ago
It really is a huge service not just to the developed world that needs to decarbonize but also a huge service to the developing world. Solar can be put up quickly and cheaply and is good for about 2 decades and can be paired with cheap LiFo batteries to give round the clock electricity. Both of these are relatively portable. It can really bootstrap the economies of local communities where infrastructure hasn't been built out. Then combined that with portable Internet connection via something like Starlink or one of the competitor networks, we can really enable the available human capital in developing nations to realize their potential.

It's all very exciting I think.

jacquesm•11m ago
The biggest bottle neck to really solving the energy problem is now the price and fragility of high voltage DC long haul connections. Between those and solar you can have energy anywhere any time.
svara•7m ago
Great point, you might dream of long range connections sending solar energy from the day into the night around the world.

But, what exactly do you mean by fragility? In what way are they fragile?

bryanlarsen•5m ago
Starlink isn't necessary. In India you can get 1GB/day of cell phone data for $4/month, and other developing nations aren't far behind.

The solar+battery revolution is doing for power what cell phones did for communications in the third world in the 90's and 2000's.

energy123•36m ago
And the US and Germany since the 1970s for putting public funds into early research
tasty_freeze•32m ago
For years I've been hearing one excuse for the US not doing more about climate change is that China is polluting more and if they aren't doing something about it then why should we?

The argument always seemed disingenuous. For sure, China produces a lot of pollution as they are modernizing, but they are also investing a lot in the direction of sustainability. If we take the balance of (pollution produced - pollution prevented) for the two countries, the day will come, if it isn't now, that the US is on the losing side of that comparison, and I wonder what the new argument will be for the US not doing more.

Freedom2•27m ago
It's easier to understand that excuse when people realize that Americans tend to start with a conclusion then work their way backwards to support it. As in, 'we aren't doing much about climate change so here's why that's okay'.
inerte•20m ago
I am not familiar with Chinese politics or motivation, but I wonder if it's for the same arguments we have in the US, "save the world" vs. "the strong can do whatever they want". I am not sure China does for the sake of sustainability and environment. Yes I know the end result might be the same but are the reasons the same?
jimt1234•12m ago
Latest excuse: sustainable energy is a scam.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/Ending...

almosthere•29m ago
They are so cheap, infact, that no other country in the world is able to compete even with huge tariffs.
lnsru•14m ago
They are not cheap. They are extremely efficient at manufacturing. The 201st panel look exactly the same as 1st one. Definitely no human labor involved. Huge well readable serial numbers placed on multiple places of the panel for camera based identification. Usually no single failing panel in shipping container. The bad ones were clearly damaged during transportation. This efficiency looks scary when I see output of my workplace in Germany.
almosthere•5m ago
Sorry I should have used the word "inexpensive" I was not referring to the quality, I was referring to the price. I own many Chinese built panels.
jl6•21m ago
Let's hope someone can do the same for grid-scale seasonal storage. "Excess" solar electricity won't be free in (noon, summer) if you can easily bank it for (night, winter).
BoredPositron•14m ago
It's a thread about Australia not Austria.
jocaal•8m ago
Power travels near the speed of light. In theory, the entire globe can be connected and countries with daylight can supply those at night in a cycle.
SideburnsOfDoom•13m ago
For all the people hyping LLM AI in order to raise lots of cash, solar and battery is the real transformational technology of our time. But it gets less press, as it just doesn't benefit a few hype-merchants.
BtM909•45m ago
> The Australian government is floating a scheme that would share the benefits of solar power with everyone on the grid, offering totally free electricity to ratepayers in the middle of the day, when the sun is shining the strongest.

> Australia proposes letting everyone benefit from negative wholesale rates

I know more countries have this now, so that's a good initiative that hopefully will spread to other countries (with negative rates).

Leherenn•27m ago
It might not be as reliable in other places to do it every day, even just in summer. Still, there's clearly a trend globally towards more dynamic prices.
almosthere•39m ago
For some reason when I read that I thought it was offering anyone in the world free electricity, and I started imagining the USA setting up a giant undersea cable... then I realized the voltage drop would be too high, then finally realized they meant it for Australians only!
freedomben•28m ago
Now I'm imagining drilling through the Earth to get the shortest possible line from Australia to my house. I like this
boldlybold•24m ago
If you're already down there, set up some geothermal!
vondur•29m ago
Wish they would do this in California where wholesale power can go negative for the same reason.
trollbridge•24m ago
And they actually charge you a fee if you generate. My brother in law unhooked from the grid because back feeding was charging him $100 a month. To give away power.
mock-possum•10m ago
Is that a California thing? In OR it’s like ~$15 to interlink (or whatever the term is)
danans•16m ago
Not free, but PGE has started an hourly variable rate plan pilot:

https://www.pge.com/en/account/rate-plans/hourly-flex-pricin...

However, they aren't taking net metering customers yet, but if you end up spending more on the hourly variable rate plan, they'll refund you to the same you would have spent on the regular time of use rate plan.

shevy-java•17m ago
But it is so damn HOT there. And Australia has the most vicious animals and plants too. It is like an alien continent.
choeger•7m ago
Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that even the electrons are poisonous there...

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