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Drilling Down on Uncle Sam's Proposed TP-Link Ban

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2025/11/drilling-down-on-uncle-sams-proposed-tp-link-ban/
45•todsacerdoti•1h ago

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ddtaylor•1h ago
> The company says it researches, designs, develops and manufactures everything except its chipsets in-house.

So, the plastic bits?

hdgvhicv•1h ago
Presumably the software, the boards, connectors, antenna design, etc.
tliltocatl•1h ago
> connectors, antenna design

And also passives like SMD resistors. They are also refining copper and iron from raw ore. /s

thfuran•26m ago
They actually make their own iron in the heart of a dying star.
seizethecheese•58m ago
As a hardware founder, low quality plastic is not rocket science. On trips to China I’ve heard similar things about other companies, specifically that Foxconn makes everything it uses, including things like coolant or plastic for prototype production.
MomsAVoxell•54m ago
Does anyone know what their chips are doing? Do you, really?

Until we have desk side silicon fabrication/placement, with accompanying tunnelling microscope features, we simply cannot trust our silicon in any way other than through utterly peaceful means, which is to say, through systems of human trustworthiness.

Technology never allows us humans to advance sufficiently well to do without it .. unless it is evenly distributed.

Right now we are all at the mercy of the masters of silicon. This is no joke!

BobbyTables2•38m ago
Even with desk-side silicon fabrication, one would have to hope the hardware/software with the design tools wasn’t already backdoor-ed…
Meneth•27m ago
Reflections on trusting trust...
vjvjvjvjghv•1h ago
If only there were US manufacturers that could produce things at a decent price and didn't actively hate their customers.
hdgvhicv•1h ago
I’m sure there’s some way to inject advertising - otherwise it’s just leaving money on the table.
ZeroConcerns•1h ago
I'm old enough to remember most cable modems and set-top boxes being manufactured in the US.

They were... not great...

system2•1h ago
There is, but corporate greed doesn't allow it.
silisili•59m ago
Eero used to be pretty close. Years ago, I used to stalk the subreddit despite never owning an Eero just because the (US based) devs would often drop knowledge bombs. AFAIK they wrote the entire software stack in house.

I have no idea if that's still the case, especially post AMZ, but worth looking into if so.

medoc•36m ago
The fact that TP-Link products are vastly better and cheaper than all their numerous competitors is indeed a bit strange. You have to either think that all the people at Linksys, Netgear, D-link, etc. are incompetents or that something a bit out of the ordinary is going on at TP-Link...
ZeroConcerns•1h ago
I don't have any particular opinion on TP-Link (never used their products), but the idea that a low-cost vendor targeting home and SMB users is somehow a state-level agent trying to compromise those users... needs evidence.

I mean, in the case of actors like Huawei, you can at least credibly make the argument that the continued access of their support staff to internal provider networks is a significant risk, but that vector is entirely absent here.

Sure, embedded firmware has been, is, and will continue to be a tire fire prone to embarrassing compromises, but containing those is mostly about notification and containment by government agencies (which the current US administration is doing their utmost best to kneecap) and/or large ISPs (which in the US have traditionally never cared).

Forcing "foreign" products off the market in favor of "domestic" replacements with the exact same, if not worse, flaws won't fix a thing, unless you put some pretty significant controls into place that nobody is willing to enforce or even outline.

thfuran•29m ago
But it does provide ample opportunity to profit personally, and that’s much more of a priority for the current federal administration than fixing anything.
riskable•46m ago
The real lesson here: If you're successful, don't skimp on security/software! Also, don't abandon software/firmware security support for your products so quickly.

If I was in charge over at TP-Link, getting news that tens of thousands of MY company's routers were compromised would have me furious! I'd be freaking out, making sure that we take immediate steps to improve software/firmware quality and to make sure we're in a constant state of trying to compromise our own hardware... To ensure no one else finds vulnerabilities before we do.

Instead, TP-Link seems to have just laughed and focused strictly on profit margins.

WheatMillington•43m ago
So much freedom in America lately. TP-Link, DJI, BYD, must be great to never have these options.
avalys•26m ago
Can a civilian buy an AR-15 in China?
TheBicPen•22m ago
No. But which nation claims to be all about freedom, and which is known for restricting individual liberties for (whatever the people in charge consider to be) the greater good?
dc96•20m ago
You're comparing apples to oranges here. The USA is supposed to be capitalistic, free market, yada yada. China doesn't make that claim.

The main point the comment you replied to is trying to make is that the US doesn't put their money where their mouth is.

maxglute•7m ago
PRC restricts guns ownership, but to make your example less stupid, PRC shooting ranges has access to western pattern arms vs US where civies has more freedom to own guns but you know... not sanctioned Chinese origin guns. So even on muh 2nd amendment grounds, PRC within their right to play with guns (again not own), still less protectionist than US. Which mirrors how you know, almost every major US tech brands operated in PRC with reasonable controls/oversight but not vice versa.
kotaKat•20m ago
I'm so glad there's other American drone manufacturers that cater to the consumer market, like Skydi-oh right, they stopped making consumer drones after the successes in forcing DJI out of the market.
rasz•4m ago
and their mil drones are subpar

https://en.defence-ua.com/news/which_western_drones_have_sho...

https://www.defensenews.com/global/europe/2025/11/07/of-fibe...

>drones from the American company Skydio proved ineffective in Ukraine [notably, a Skydio drone was used by the U.S. Army to drop a combat grenade for the first time], as they were unreliable in front-line interference conditions.

>The problems with Skydio drones in Ukraine were reported last year, and the manufacturer acknowledged the poor quality of its products.

>According to Alex, a key issue with today's low-quality products is the "information gap among many European and American manufacturers about current battlefield conditions and the timing of when they receive this information."

Surprisingly

>Some of the most effective ones have included the German-made Vector drones and Polish-made FlyEye drones.

deadlydose•19m ago
I just bought a new DJI drone and I have a cheap TP-Link WAP in my home office. Worry about your own freedom, kid, and not mine.
fujigawa•9m ago
You're from NZ, which perpetuated one of the most brutal COVID lockdowns, including allowing police to enter homes without a warrant to enforce quarantine and restrictions.

The US routinely bans unsafe products. Far east garbage riddled with security holes are unsafe products.

cflewis•28m ago
I've been really happy with the TP-Link smart plugs. I keep upgrading them as The Latest Standard That's Definitely The Real One This Time Trust Us Bro comes out, and the Matter ones are excellent. Getting an instant response from them is really nice. I see no reason to buy others.

I would buy only Hue but that's because I have more money than sense, and they don't actually make smart plugs last time I looked, they make plugs but label them all as lights in the app, which is more annoying than it sounds.

The real problem to solve ditching TP-Link _routers_ is that all routers are uniformly fucking awful, and all you are doing is choosing your particular poison. This is especially true after Apple exited the game so long ago. I use Google Wifi because it mostly works most of the time, but that's not glowing praise. But the world has become trained that rebooting a router once a week and praying that it works when it comes back is a perfectly normal state of affairs and we couldn't possibly do this any better.

iamacyborg•9m ago
Eve smart plugs are solid and don’t have any unnecessary cloud stuff.
add-sub-mul-div•5m ago
I have some TP-Link smart plugs and was happy with them for a long time because their app could be used without an account. Then I recently got the new version of the app and it forces an account, there's no more guest mode. I'm done with TP-Link now.
bethekidyouwant•26m ago
I don’t get the end game here D-link isn’t any better. Are we heading for isp enforced hardware in our homes?
imagetic•12m ago
God help us.
chatmasta•22m ago
TP-Link makes really solid products, and if you don’t want to use their firmware then almost all of them can easily flash OpenWRT. In fact most of their routers are built from OpenWRT anyway.

I installed their mesh Wi-Fi system for my parents recently and was really impressed how seamless the process was. It did involve making a cloud account which I wasn’t thrilled about, however.

forinti•5m ago
TP-Link let me down twice.

I bought a cellphone from them many years ago and they never really supported it and I couldn't even buy a replacement battery.

Recently I bought a router with the firm intent of installing OpenWRT, but I received a newer revision that had a different CPU, less RAM, and less flash memory.

These events left a bad impression, but they do make affordable stuff with reasonable quality.

imagetic•19m ago
I have TP-Link Deco's for our WiFi, sitting behind a Firewalla Gold. This has been by far the nicest, simplest at home setup I've ever deployed. Do I love that I chose TP-Link? No. But price to purpose it was the best product available to me at the time.

If TP-Link gets banned, my concern is what that means for the massive market share in the US. Warranty? Software updates? Or maybe that action is what turns them into an agent of the state. Or do you horde all the hardware until its valuable like DJI parts are today?

ComplexSystems•10m ago
I don't get what to make of this. Is it all just security theater? The idea of having consumer networking hardware that isn't riddled with security vulnerabilities seems to be a ship that sailed long ago. I doubt this move will prevent major nation states from hacking into whatever they want.
abridgett•8m ago
I'll just leave this little NSA intercepting Cisco products reminder here: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/05/photos-of-an-nsa...

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