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The Terminal of the Future

https://jyn.dev/the-terminal-of-the-future
38•miguelraz•2h ago

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wredcoll•45m ago
The terminal of the future is called a web browser.
add-sub-mul-div•32m ago
That would be quite an own goal, to invite an extra middleman into the mix. Especially when so many people will go the path of least resistance and use a tech giant product as that middleman.
wredcoll•24m ago
I mean, what is a terminal emulator? It's a program that displays the output of other programs "inside" it.

Terminal emulators display grids of characters using all sorts of horrifying protocols.

Web browsers display html generated by other programs.

shirro•19m ago
It could have been. The platform got taken over by a very different culture and has tended to serve different purposes.

The web solves problems that are almost impossible to properly solve with a terminal, particularly with rendering of more complicated languages and display and interaction with sophisticated visualisations.

Pushing the terminal further while maintaining compatibility, performance and avoiding a terminal war with incompatible protocols is going to be a struggle.

hastamelo•16m ago
opened on the chatgpt page
xixixao•16m ago
This might be useful (maybe) to the author: I am in a group (probably small, but I don’t think negligeble) that gave up on Warp because it doesn’t support standard or custom command completions [0]

Some lesson must surely be drawn from this about incremental adoption.

[0] https://github.com/warpdotdev/Warp/issues/1811

jynelson•8m ago
yeah! so i somehow forgot to include this in the post, but one of the thing i would want as part of this is tab complete that integrates with the shell, essentially it would make an RPC call (in the step 3 sense). there’s things that work like this already today, they’re just extremely cursed ^^ but that’s never stopped me before. https://github.com/Aloxaf/fzf-tab?tab=readme-ov-file#differe...
zadjii•13m ago
Y'know, I spent a week investigating doing something similar with the Windows Terminal about 18 months ago: https://github.com/microsoft/terminal/issues/16495#issuecomm...

There's even more under the "Updates archive" expando in that post.

It was a pretty compelling prototype. But after I played with Polyglot Notebooks[1], I pretty much just abandoned that experiment. There's a _lot_ of UI that needs to be written to build a notebook-like experience. But the Polyglot notebooks took care of that by just converting the commandline backend to a jupyter kernel.

I've been writing more and more script-like experiments in those ever since. Just seems so much more natural to have a big-ol doc full of notes, that just so happens to also have play buttons to Do The Thing.

[1]: https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=ms-dotne...

shellkr•10m ago
This I am afraid does not feel as the right thing to do. I think the KISS-principle is a good standard to follow and while terminals have to do more than one thing, it should not do everything. Complexity leads to instability. Terminals has to be nimble and not clumsy behemoths like web browsers.
zazaulola•5m ago
What do you mean by “terminal”? Perhaps you are referring to something like a VT100.

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DEC_VT100_terminal.j...

I may disappoint you with the fact that IBM PC-compatible computers have replaced devices of that class. We can only observe certain terminal emulators in some operating systems. There have been many attempts to expand the functionality of these emulators. However, most features beyond the capabilities of VT100 have not caught on (except UTF-8 support). I do not believe that anything will change in the foreseeable future.

cpendery•2m ago
interesting post! shell integration has gotten a lot better since the new ConPTY on windows doesn’t strip OSC sequences & send them ahead of the text

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