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A Sad Collapse in Student Preparation at UC San Diego Was Inevitable

https://www.aei.org/education/a-sad-collapse-in-student-preparation-at-uc-san-diego-was-inevitable/
16•getnormality•1h ago

Comments

tonetheman•1h ago
I feel like this is nothing more than a side effect of what happened with Covid.

Which would mean if we were willing to shut things down like we did we should be willing to take the secondary effects and solve those problems too.

rogerrogerr•1h ago
The health establishment did not appear to think about children’s futures, only about making sure 86 year olds made it to 87.
piva00•52m ago
This is personally offending to me, I lost two friends in their 40s in Brazil when Bolsonaro acted like Trump, and didn't implement any federal policy to lower risks during the first year of the pandemic.

Your take is stupid, that's how discourse goes now though, stupid hot takes from people who don't want to think, ponied up as some grand opinion while padded with derision and cynicism.

It's just stupid... And quite tiresome, be better.

getnormality•1h ago
I agree it can be seen this way. The pandemic years were the perfect time for everyone to lose their minds.

On the other hand, negative performance trends started in the early 2010s, and this may be more associated with the phone-based childhood.

TimPC•1h ago
Earning a 4.0 GPA in high school math while only knowing middle school math seems absolutely wild. Is that truly a side effect of COVID or are certain schools just going to be heavily penalized in admissions because their standards are far too low?
getnormality•1h ago
Yes, in fact the UCSD report explicitly says they will have no choice but to penalize entire schools in their "math index" if standardized testing is not reintroduced.

There are school systems where teachers are not allowed to give anything less than a D equivalent grade, even if the student didn't engage with the assignment at all. I would panic if I found out my kid went to such a school!

ModernMech•37m ago
Worse, some school systems require teachers to accept student work at any time. I have teacher friends who tell me stories about students who don't do anything all semester. Then in the last week, somehow all the work gets done and submitted, and it's all passing. Obviously what's happening is the parents are doing all the student's work, and the teacher is forced to pretend it's genuine.

Then there are the systems which only teach "theoretical" work. I had a student who said he could program, passed a bunch of classes called "programming in C++" and such, only to learn he hadn't written a program ever -- he had just been taught the theory of writing a program. It's like taking calculus but never doing an integral.

jleyank•1h ago
Grade inflation and automatic promotion had nothing to do with Covid - it was occurring when at uni in the 70's, with dean's list definitions changing to reflect higher GPA's. Covid isolation might have made things worse, but starting from a mediocre beginning it might also not be significant. People who are interested in subjects, and have anywhere competent teachers tend to do well. Those who are disinterested, or faced with "disappointing" teachers do less well.

The spread of things like ChatGPT is going to make things worse. And there's a whole lot of parents who are certain their precious offspring are (well) above average. Wasn't that a feature of Lake Wobegone? EDIT: and how common is the attitude "I paid a lot for your product, give me the grades..."?

ModernMech•41m ago
I'm seeing this myself, I had to explain to freshman student last week what a colon is and where to find it on the keyboard. That's a first in 7 years.
johann8384•39m ago
What was the driver for the change in admissions testing? Was the SAT or ACT considered bad? Or were too many students getting low scores?

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