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Ask HN: Anyone else disillusioned with "AI experts" in their team?

9•randomgermanguy•1h ago
We had an internal-workshop led by our internal AI-team (mostly just LLMs), and had the horrible realisation that no one in that team actually knows what the term "AI" even means, or how a language model works.

One senior-dev (team-lead also) tried to explain to me that AI is a subfield of machine-learning, and always stochastic in nature (since ChatGPT responds differently to the same prompt).

We/they are selling tailor-made "AI-products" to other businesses, but apparently we don't know how sampling works...? Also, no one could tell me where exactly our "self-hosted" models even ran (turns out 50% of the time its just OpenAI/Anthropic), or what OCR-model our product was using.

Am I just too junior/naive to get this or am I cooked?

Comments

illwrks•1h ago
I work in house and had a similar AI agency day over the last few months.

I came to the same observations; lots of experts not much expertise.

I think my wider team are on par with their ability and understanding so we now can sift through the BS a bit easier.

Nod, smile, accept that no one has a clear understanding.

illwrks•1h ago
The real talent is building this stuff, everyone else is just part of the marketing effort.
PaulHoule•1h ago
No, it is being able to evaluate models. 5 builders without eval produce zero value. 1 eval person can pick and choose the best model out of a bunch that are open source and commercial and maybe one of them is good enough. Put an eval person together with N builders and you have a chance of making a good enough model.

If you want to know why Hacker News is full of people disappointed or skeptical with AI ask yourself why they put 99.9% of their effort into “zero-shot” when it is clear as day that if you get a few thousand examples and train in that you wipe the floor with “zero-shot”

randomgermanguy•1h ago
What do you mean with "building this stuff"? As in building LLMs, or building applications on-top of them.
illwrks•28m ago
Building LLM’s. In my mind those engineers are the ones that have more intimate knowledge of the data and input, and can create the LLM’s for their specific tasks. Everyone else is a customer to them.

I can tell you how a house is built, that doesn’t make me a builder that makes me informed and opinionated. I can decorate my house however I like but im not a painter/decorator or a tradesman. I can assemble some ikea furniture, but I’m not a carpenter. I’m a consumer and I can tweak something to my liking but I can’t do anything significant.

randomgermanguy•1h ago
But why do you think this is? Like is it just the money/status that comes with calling yourself an "AI"-expert ?
illwrks•34m ago
I try and frame things from an agency perspective.

Agencies are like a production line, they need raw materials coming in; clients with cash, armed with opportunities, scraps of ideas or formed briefs to be worked on. They need this business so they can generate the output and keep the lights on.

AI is everywhere and everything for a lot of people now. You can be sure that Exec’s are asking their teams how are we using AI, how is it helping the business grow etc. However there’s so much AI news, it’s moving so quick and seeping into everything that difficult (from a naïeve client point of view) to know what’s fantasy and what’s reality.

So my perception is… agencies do the sifting and maintain visibility of what is real or not because they have to start drumming up future sales and business, and AI is hot right now.

Perhaps they have some training in CoPilot etc, or with some experience of creating a model, maybe they have integrated something small with something big. It may even be that being ann angency they have a more open way of working that a corporate does, and that’s the sell.

Anyway, the sales teams will proclaim themselves experts because they have to sell.

incomingpain•54m ago
>We had an internal-workshop led by our internal AI-team (mostly just LLMs), and had the horrible realisation that no one in that team actually knows what the term "AI" even means, or how a language model works.

I'm the AI expert for my org. Everyone else is more or less opposed to AI.

>One senior-dev (team-lead also) tried to explain to me that AI is a subfield of machine-learning, and always stochastic in nature (since ChatGPT responds differently to the same prompt).

machine learning is the sub field of AI.

Not really stochastic as far as I know. The whole random seed and temperature thing is a bit of a grey area for my full understanding. Let alone the topk, top p, etc. I often just accept what's recommended from the model folks.

>We/they are selling tailor-made "AI-products" to other businesses, but apparently we don't know how sampling works...?

Sales people dont tend to know jack. That doesnt mean they dont have an introvert in the back who does know what's going on.

>Am I just too junior/naive to get this or am I cooked?

AI for the most part has been out a couple years. With rapid improvement and changes that make 2023 knowledge obsolete. 100% of us are juniors in AI.

You're disillusioned because the "ai experts" basically dont exist.

randomgermanguy•43m ago
> machine learning is the sub field of AI.

That's what I tried to explain then as well, and i brought up stuff like path-finding algorithms for route-finding (A*/heuristic-search) as an more old-school AI part, which didn't really land I think.

> Not really stochastic as far as I know. The whole random seed and temperature thing is a bit of a grey area for my full understanding. Let alone the topk, top p, etc. I often just accept what's recommended from the model folks.

I mean LLMs are often treated in stochastic nature, but like ML models aren't usually? Like maybe you have some dropout, but that's usually left out during inference AFAIK. I dont think a Resnet or YOLO is very stochastic, but maybe someone can correct me.

> AI for the most part has been out a couple years.

With this you just mean LLMs right? Because I understand AI to be way more then just LLMs & ML

rvz•51m ago
> One senior-dev (team-lead also) tried to explain to me that AI is a subfield of machine-learning, and always stochastic in nature (since ChatGPT responds differently to the same prompt).

This "senior dev" has it all mixed up and is incorrect.

"AI" is all encompassing umbrella term that includes other fields of "AI" such as the very old GOFAI (good old fashioned AI) which is rule-based, machine learning (statistical, bayesian) methods, and neural networks which deep learning and more recently generative AI (which ChatGPT) uses.

More accurately, it is neural networks which are more "stochastic" with their predictions and decisions, not just transformer models which ChatGPT is based on.

> Am I just too junior/naive to get this or am I cooked?

Quite frankly, the entire team (except you) is cooked, as you have realized what you don't know.

randomgermanguy•39m ago
Okay thanks for saving my sanity somewhat.

And also just to nitpick/joke:

> More accurately, it is neural networks which are more "stochastic" with their predictions and decisions <...>

I would defend NNs to not even be necessarily stochastic. I had to handwrite weights for NNs in atleast two exams, to fit XOR for example ;)

nis0s•33m ago
Maybe this is a joke, there’s a lot of talent out there. But if you’re not kidding, start looking for a job somewhere else on the dl, this ship isn’t fit to steer.
randomgermanguy•11m ago
Not a joke. I'm still a student, like halve a year away from finishing my masters, so switching jobs at this point feels bit risky/early? Maybe im wrong though
zippyman55•31m ago
I learned a huge amount from my team members, and they were usually smarter than I was. So, sure, I occasionally corrected them and impressed them, but all the bread crumbs they threw out, I gobbled up and learned a ton. But, they never said stupid stuff! (Ok, maybe about social events, but they were geeks). When team members spout off erroneous stuff and it is not "occasionally" you have to question what you are going to be learning from your co-workers. So, your whole team may be inferior and contribute little to your learning and growth. This extends to management and the decisions they make regarding AI.

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