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Wealthy foreigners 'paid for chance to shoot civilians in Sarajevo'

https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/wealthy-foreigners-paid-for-chance-to-shoot-civilians-in-sarajevo-zrljbb27z
61•mhb•1h ago

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mensetmanusman•27m ago
After the mass graves hoax in Canada, it’s hard to take these stories designed for outrage and ad revenue seriously without more evidence than what is being presented.

https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/no-evidence-of-ma...

lifestyleguru•22m ago
Imagine you can shoot at people, no consequences. Travel somewhere, pay a fee, shoot, then come back to your cozy reality.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/09/the-gaza-famil...

mykowebhn•17m ago
Do you have another less biased source?

From Wikipedia:

> The Fraser Institute is a conservative Canadian public policy think tank registered as a charity.

This is the first time I am hearing about the mass graves being a hoax.

gruez•7m ago
Not the OP, but

>As of April 2025, no bodies have been exhumed from the suspected gravesites, largely due to a lack of community consensus on whether to investigate detected anomalies at the risk of disturbing burials.[9] As of January 2024, at least three official excavations had been performed with no bodies discovered, though at least one excavation only investigated a portion of the reported ground anomalies at that site.[10][11][12] Disputes regarding the conclusiveness of the evidence has helped spawn a movement of denialism about the existence of some or all residential school burial sites.[9][13][14] Indigenous groups and academics have dismissed claims of a "mass grave hoax", saying that claimed discoveries of mass graves were present in a minority of stories published by mainstream media and that there had been public misinterpretation of what had actually been announced in 2021.[15

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_sc...

It sounds like the "mass" part of the "mass graves" is disputed, and there's motte-and-bailey on both sides (eg. "you must think nobody/bazillion died in residential schools") muddying the dispute.

Steven420•6m ago
Only four supposed mass graves have been investigated and all four found no bodies. There is no credible evidence that says there are mass graves
evanjrowley•15m ago
If you seek it out, you will video footage of pogroms from that conflict.

Not the exact circumstances as described in the article, but killings were very real.

ignoramous•11m ago
> fraserinstitute.org/commentary/no-evidence-of-ma...

You've a gripe with outrage and yet... I mean, any think tank can write anything they think and post it to the interwebs. Here's the other side's perspective:

  Since the confirmation of community knowledge of suspected unmarked graves in Kamloops, First Nations across Canada have located evidence of the remains of more than 2,300 children in suspected unmarked graves at or near former residential schools and Indian hospitals, according to the report.

  But the unauthorized visits to the site are the work of a "core group" of Canadians who continue to deny, defend or minimize the physical, sexual, psychological and emotional abuse inflicted on Indigenous children in the Indian Residential School System "despite the indisputable evidence of survivors and their families," Murray said at a Friday news conference. Denialism and disrespect exacerbate the pain and trauma of survivors and community members trying to grieve and search the grave sites. "Denialism is violence. Denialism is calculated. Denialism is harmful. Denialism is hate," Murray said.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/denialists-t...
jalapenof•10m ago
It was malicious to leap to “genocide” and started burning churches down when there were plausible explanations like a smallpox outbreak.
jvdvegt•25m ago
https://archive.is/i37JU
cm2012•20m ago
There were many war crimes in Sarajevo, but this one is probably fake. The only evidence for this is some shady testimonies, and it was not backed up in post war testimony of soldiers, flight logs, etc., even though many other war crimes were.
ls612•16m ago
An extortion/blackmail racket then?
ChrisArchitect•18m ago
Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45893535
sys32768•16m ago
And the evidence is...a claim by an Italian writer who heard it from a former Bosnian intel officer who heard it from...

But this does remind me of that excellent docu-series The Line about members of a Navy SEAL platoon who accused their chief of war crimes.

https://tv.apple.com/us/show/the-line/umc.cmc.4u53f7zokr7g40...

josefritzishere•15m ago
Richard Connell wrote the short story "The Most Dangerous Game" on this topic. That was 100 years ago and now it's real.
mothballed•11m ago
I spent a little time in a civil war.

The people that enter them voluntarily, tend to be of two varieties.

1) Ideologically driven. They think entering their side will drive society/themselves closer to their ideological goal of how the world should be organized

2) Visceral, instinctual need. They have an instinctual drive to hunt humans. It is absolutely wild to meet someone like this. Most people in this situation will do it in a society approved way, like joining the military, although in a civil war society often kind of loses track of what is actually going on there.

I will say, absolutely and without question, (2) made the much better soldiers. These people are exhibiting a deep human 'need' that helped perpetuate some tribes, but this time in a purely psychopathic way. If the Bosnians had simply had them pay to fight in the war against actual combatants, it might have worked nearly as well.

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