Germany to Ban Huawei from Future 6G Network in Sovereignty Push

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-11-13/germany-to-ban-huawei-from-future-6g-network-in-sovereignty-push

50•teleforce•1h ago

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jusonce56789•1h ago

Well, people will buy Huawei routers at home anyway.

wnevets•58m ago

Is that commonplace in Germany?

mschuster91•55m ago

Sadly yes, cheap crap tends to be Huawei. Everyone with a modicum of technical understanding goes for a Fritzbox though.

looofooo0•43m ago

I do Openwrt on my HP

hopelite•12m ago

I’m not familiar with the Huawei matter because it’s similar not something I have to concern myself with, but can you point to something specific or a place where I could get some facts on why Huawei is justifiably frowned upon?

I have never seen anything but the various broad claims in the news and by politicians that seem to always just kind of come down to “China bad” as evidence. Maybe I just didn’t care enough to notice, but I would have thought that if there was something real to how Huawei hardware will make the sky fall, the powers that be would have surely made that case with clear and irrefutable proof.

Thanks for providing anything you might be able to point me towards that goes beyond “China bad”, regardless of how anyone feels about China.

juliusceasar•1h ago

Better late than never.

China has so many anti-Foreigner laws for doing business in China.

West has made China rich and powerful in exchange for cheap labour.

NoiseBert69•1h ago

I'd more say: they made clear rules if you want to play business in China.

Europe never set any boundaries. Honestly our fault.

lazyeye•50m ago

Our leaders in the West have been very naive. Also the Chinese "elite capture" program has been very effective.

avipars•51m ago

https://archive.li/18QJs

daneel_w•44m ago

Good. Don't forget their incredibly affordable and attractive smartphones and the fact that they have almost completely captured the market for cellular transceiver chips used in USB mobile modems, both of which are excellent products for espionage and weaponization just like their cellular network equipment.

RobotToaster•42m ago

And use American Cisco equipment with definitely no NSA backdoors instead?

RcouF1uZ4gsC•31m ago

That is called being on the other side of an airtight hatch (h/t Raymond Chen)

The US has troops, tanks, aircraft, even nuclear weapons stationed in German.

Sovereignty vis-a-vis the United States is not something on the table.

daneel_w•27m ago

It's an east vs west thing.

jiehong•40m ago

Which company will design and make 6G telco hardware in Germany?

I guess it will be 3/4/5G for a while, until they can someday cover the country just barely, and then 6G a decade and half later than everyone else (or is it by giving up sovereignty by buying US stuff instead?)

Sorry for being hopeless, but Germany has been very good at proving its inability to fix telco issues (or its train issues…).

sabjut•33m ago

Both Nokia (Finland) and Ericsson (Sweden) are great european alternatives. There is no need to reinvent the wheel in every EU country.

PeterStuer•26m ago

Both Nokia and Ericsson have substantial Blackrock and Vanguard investment.

tonetegeatinst•35m ago

I know some open 5G hardware project exists as I read about it about a month ago.

However I wonder if that will remain true with 6G, or if it will even be affordable.

mannanj•32m ago

Why 6g? who asked for it? I am content with 4g, 5g was a push as it was.

daneel_w•28m ago

You and I are content with it, but these standards were never really about our individual and immediate experiences. It's about concurrent capacity for the growing grid as a whole.

PeterStuer•31m ago

They are not wrong, but will they also ban Cisco in their "Sovereignty Push"?

9cb14c1ec0•27m ago

Is 6G even a thing? From either a bandwidth demand perspective or a financial perspective? Every US wireless service just about bankrupted themselves rolling out 5G.

londons_explore•22m ago

Bandwidth demand is very much there...

My connection is 1.5 Gbits at 3am, but at peak time (7pm) I'm lucky to get 10 Mbits.

My network needs more capacity, and if 6G can offer it cheaper than building 5x more 5G masts, that's the route they'll have to take.

9cb14c1ec0•17m ago

I guess you must live in a much more heavily populated environment than I do. For myself, I'm still trying to figure out remote 5G IOT connectivity that doesn't require $1k in hardware. Non-consumer-grade 5G hardware is incredibly expensive still, which is why we are still deploying new 4G stuff.

Incipient•21m ago

I don't get why Huawei gets specific hate? Shouldn't this equally apply to all Chinese vendors? I wouldn't expect any are less susceptible to government control?

kwanbix•15m ago

Nice, in 2025, the world is a place where China can not be trusted, Russia can not be trusted, USA can not be trusted, Europe can not be trusted (at least from the point of the others), etc.

We are very far from the "imagine all the people, living live in peace". I wonder why that is...

fodmap•5m ago

On the other hand Spain is using Huawei servers for almost all of their sensitive data. I wonder how the UE, and NATO, will react to that, because they're using Huawei for Social Security data, wiretapping data (SITEL), or even Intelligence Services data.

https://therecord.media/spain-awards-contracts-huawei-intell...

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