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Open in hackernews

Not even a month passed and Chat Control is back in the EU

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147•egorfine•1h ago

Comments

nowaymo6237•1h ago
Privacy needs codified! The illusion of safety is not worth it for the fascist regime who turn keys it into a panopticon.
PeterStuer•56m ago
Eternal vigilance is needed to stop this. Good luck! It will take just one (manufactured) crisis.
ryandrake•36m ago
We have to win every time. They only have to win once and it's game over.
ambicapter•24m ago
Why can't we put up legislation to repeal over and over until it is repealed?
PeterStuer•22m ago
"Over and over" is the hint.
soulofmischief•13m ago
Power/wealth asymmetries. The incumbent organizations are powerful, have many resources and actively work to prevent other organizations from achieving the same level if competency.
dymk•12m ago
Because legislation like this is a ratchet.
ChrisArchitect•51m ago
Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45908672
api•49m ago
They will keep trying until some version of it passes.
Humorist2290•49m ago

  (6) Online child sexual abuse frequently involves the misuse of information society services offered in the Union by providers established in third countries. In order to ensure the effectiveness of the rules laid down in this Regulation and a level playing field within the internal market, those rules should apply to all providers, irrespective of their place of establishment or residence, that offer services in the Union, as evidenced by a substantial connection to the Union.
The article links to the text of the revised proposal. It reads like they're openly planning to push it again, and soon, and worldwide. The UK and EU seem to be setting aside their differences at least.
josteink•24m ago
So they’re asking American companies to repeal the first amendment rights of American citizens on all websites accessible in the EU.

How this not a declaration of war?

progval•21m ago
Neither the EU nor American companies are Congress, so they are not bound by the 1st amendment.
petcat•17m ago
"First Amendment Rights" only applies to the State, not private companies.

For example, Hacker News has no obligation to preserve your "First Amendment Rights" on this website. They are free to mute you, ban you, or even just surreptitiously change what you say without you knowing.

eptcyka•9m ago
I was under the impression that the strong and independent Americans had thicker skin than this.
layer8•17m ago
> worldwide

Laws targeting service providers usually always apply to all providers providing services in the respective jurisdiction. It would be unusual if it was any different.

andybak•38m ago
This is an asymmetric conflict. The factions who want this to pass have more resources, time and background influence and can keep pushing this until they get lucky.

And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult.

How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

frogperson•33m ago
We stop allowing the rich to become so rich. Billionares are not compatible with democracy or the greater good.
CamperBob2•26m ago
What happens when you get what you want, and rather than magically solving every problem confronting society, it doesn't solve anything at all, and in fact creates several more problems, as generally happens when such ideas are put into practice?

What's plan B? Lower the threshold to a million dollars?

snek_case•16m ago
Also how do you avoid billionaires worldwide? Not everyone lives under your government. Even if you could, how do you know for a fact that some people don't secretly control hidden assets? Is Xi openly a billionaire? China is a "communist" country on paper. How does he hold so much power?

The sad reality is that the world has a nonzero percentage of power-hungry narcissists. We need governments that are more democratic and robust. We all know that the current government processes are broken and corrupted.

iovrthoughtthis•13m ago
We iterate.
tock•9m ago
> as generally happens when such ideas are put into practice

Is this true? Lots of countries with high living standards have high taxes. It doesn't need to solve every problem but it does help solve the problem of one unelected person holding too much power and influence.

> What's plan B? Lower the threshold to a million dollars?

1B = 1000M. I think thats high enough. Don't see why you need to make it 1000x smaller to try and make a point.

afarah1•25m ago
This seems to be more about political power and government overreach than money. The narrative seems to be focused solely on concentration of the later, lately.
dymk•14m ago
Money is political power. A billionaire can afford to lobby and “donate” as much as they want.
catlikesshrimp•13m ago
I expect economical and political power to get along well. You normally acquire both organically; except in some cases, suddently acquiring much of one will buy some of the other.

TLDR: Billionaires hold political power.

eptcyka•13m ago
Billionaires inherently get political power. When they’re more socially adept than Musk, they can even have the power without having the plebs notice.
lazide•9m ago
Yup, going full autist in public is a good way to get the public angry at you and try to find a way to make your life more difficult.
impossiblefork•12m ago
It's too bad we can't withdraw our votes for a politician continuously, with the politician having to leave office if the vote changes enough.

I'm not sure it can be solved without everybody writing down their vote, but this would be one way that would make pushing through unpopular policies, whether because of changing opinions, mismatches where politicians misrepresent their plans or corruption, much more difficult.

layer8•8m ago
That would just strengthen the incentives for continual populism and propaganda.
imglorp•33m ago
The States are learning the hard way that the disproportionate accumulation of wealth is an irresistible force which will eventually erode all checks and balances, corrupt all systems, and ultimately capture the entire government. We we were doing mostly okay with "constrained capitalism" but as soon as we let our guard down, money flooded into politics and that was the end of restraint.
HPsquared•33m ago
Constitutions are a pretty common way to say "no to this kind of thing".
yoz-y•23m ago
Indeed. It seems that the only way out is to elect a government that would have that on their program. Dubious that this will happen.
xxs•19m ago
Governments don't change constitutions pretty much anywhere. More also constitution changes are notoriously hard from requiring 75% of parliament votes, to 66% in two consecutive parliament assemblies (need to pass an election), and all versions in-between (or not having a codified constitution).
wartywhoa23•31m ago
> How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process?

Other than hoping for a large meteorite or the second coming to end this misery, or stirring up the bloodbath a la Nepal - then, by recognizing the power of large numbers of people doing little things, like sabotaging the system at the personal level. But that implies unity, and unity and mutual support have been deliberately annihilated in this society for too long. Thus, this outcome is even less probable than the first two.

soulofmischief•16m ago
I'm downvoting you because complaining against downvotes like this is against site guidelines. Your comment would have a better foundation if that part was omitted.
wartywhoa23•7m ago
Now that's some recursive self-fulfilling prophecy, my friend! But thanks for chiming in.
stackedinserter•10m ago
Agree completely. We're like sheep that are cluelessly watching other sheep being slaughtered.
enricotr•5m ago
This.
the_mitsuhiko•20m ago
> How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process? It is a dynamic that is repeated in many areas.

A lot of society wants this. A lot of parents are asking for this.

soulofmischief•18m ago
That doesn't mean anything, because they're not necessarily educated on the topic, and yet are making decisions that affect everyone.

When it's so cheap to enact mass propaganda, selective omission and manufactured intent, it becomes impossible to just say, "well, the people want it." Their decision making process is compromised by the same people pushing these policies through.

Democracy is indeed broken, and we have to take that seriously if we're going to fix it.

dns_snek•15m ago
Please quantify "a lot". What percentage of the population wants all private communication between adults to be monitored and censored by a government agency? Can we put it to a vote - right after publicly discussing (debunking) all of the false beliefs that its proponents have?
alex1138•18m ago
This is true and yet we managed to kick SOPA to the curb (one of Aaron Swartz's finest hours)
echelon_musk•15m ago
That was more than a decade ago. Think how many normies have come online since then that have only ever used a smartphone. Sadly the average computer literacy of those times are gone.
tharne•11m ago
> Think how many normies have come online since then that have only ever used a smartphone. Sadly the average computer literacy of those times are gone.

I remember a few years ago, being shocked to see that over 50% of applicants for a software engineering role applied directly from their smartphones. So it's not even just normies who see their phone as "the computer".

whitehexagon•15m ago
>How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process?

Swiss style democracy with public referendums?

stackedinserter•13m ago
> How does society resolve this kind of abuse of the democratic process?

By choosing "people-vs-individual-politician" fight over "people-vs-government-system". Like, literally, make politicians personally responsible for this bs.

blibble•12m ago
> And once in place repealing it will be tremendously difficult.

as in: not possible

the EU parliament can't legislate to remove it, at least not without permission from the two organs (commission, council) that keep pushing this

EU parliament is the only legislature in the world that needs permission to legislate

Lutzb•7m ago
The people that push this agenda reside on secrecy. We need to expose the people involved and let the press do their jobs.
okokwhatever•6m ago
Which press? The same that keeps this war in the shadows?
pokot0•32m ago
Honestly I think privacy is lost. Regardless of what side you were (big fan of privacy here) I feel we have nothing to do but move on and think how to live in a world without privacy.

I never wanted privacy anyway: I wanted no discrimination, inclusion, healthy democracy, etc, etc.

Privacy has always been a tool for me.

At this point, selective privacy like we are experiencing today (we cannot know what’s in the epstein files, but google can send a drone and look into my backyard) serves none of the things I am interested in!

whatshisface•23m ago
The basic structure of your argument is equivalent to, "I've given up on being allowed to leave my house, I just want to go to the places I need to go."
binary132•20m ago
what a ludicrously insane take. how can you not believe in privacy? do you think what you do in your home should be private, or do you think it’s fine for someone to put cameras in there? If you do, please feel free to invite them to do so; do not feel free to invite them to put cameras in my home.
binary132•31m ago
what is it they’re so concerned about people talking about these days exactly anyway?
FranzFerdiNaN•28m ago
Gotta make sure you aren’t saying the wrong things, like criticising rich and powerful people.
binary132•23m ago
people have been doing that for a long time, but the level of urgency from the system hasn’t been at this level.
AngryData•10m ago
Yeah but was it to the same extent? People are regularly posting guillotines these days and our economic outlooks for much of the world, and especially the US, is not all roses and sunshine.
Havoc•30m ago
Dystopian BS. It's unfortunate that we've got people in society that are keen on mass surveillance
sMarsIntruder•30m ago
This Chat Control 2.0 nonsense has to be killed off once for all.
pcrh•23m ago
The right to privacy is enshrined in the European Convention on Human Rights, article 8 [0].

It escapes me how politicians can repeatedly attempt to violate this.

[0] https://fra.europa.eu/en/law-reference/european-convention-h...

pfortuny•15m ago
Think of the children.

You want the police to solve crimes, right?

If you are against this it is because you have something to hide.

Also it is more than possible that those politicians do not agree with that Convention.

layer8•20m ago
Article on Breyer’s own site: https://www.patrick-breyer.de/en/chat-control-2-0-through-th...
stackedinserter•18m ago
Society can't win this without fighting the personalities who drive it. In the end, there's a individual that pushes this, so this very person should be targeted personally.

Someone said it's an asymmetric conflict, so we need to pull it to our (human-size) level and fight on our chessboard.

mrtksn•9m ago
Denmark has a month and a half as EU presidency to go. I still don't get why they want this to be their legacy so badly.
shevy-java•9m ago
I remember that back a few weeks ago on reddit, before I left it, I warned people about this.

Well - colour me not so surprised. The lobbyists are back at it.

I think we need to permanently crush them now. They attack us here. This is a war.