I tried to skim to figure out how much caffeine/ml was actually in the drinks, but seems the researchers don't know themselves either? Wouldn't there be a huge difference depending on the beans, how it's made and so on? 1 espresso can be made very strong with packed coffee, or it can be made very weak, "1 cup of caffeinated coffee" basically says nothing at all, unless I'm missing the true definition elsewhere in the paper.
As an espresso drinker with a good machine and grinder, and lots of variety with mostly Italian beans, it depends, as the OP already indicated. I only buy low or at most middle caffein content beans to begin with, but you can get high caffeine beans for espresso easily. Easiest method: Increase the amount of Robusta.
Good vendors should have things like caffein content in their product description. I mostly buy from an online vendor that lists the exact roast date and also shows caffein content for each product (https://www.espresso-international.com/ - their only disadvantage is the use of some pretty light GRAY for most text, another topic, too many websites do this for reasons I cannot understand).
Many years ago, when I still lived in the Bay Area, the Cappuccino I got at a certain Berkeley coffee shop always made my heart go BOOM BOOM BOOM. Whatever concoction they brewed certainly had very high caffein (and I hated it, but the place was great). The ones I make myself now I can drink at 10 pm and be completely fine (I only drink 2-4 max espresso per day, and can easily drink zero if I'm away and have no access to good espresso, so I'm not addicted and just "used to it").
Sometimes I compromise and buy medium caffein beans when it's something good, but those I can feel just a little.
All of that just means you have to exert some control over which beans you consume, if you want to keep caffein low. On the plus side, if you stick to 80%-100% Arabica (the rest Robusta) it's not hard at all. If you like mixes with high Robusta ratio it gets much harder. Caffein free roasts exist though (examples: https://www.espresso-international.com/decaffeinated-coffee), but that choice severely limits your options.
That's a mystifying statement. Why go if you found the coffee so unpleasant?
Decor?
Also, the food was very very good, I still dream of it occasionally. Just some sandwiches, but perfection. Some cooked root whose name I forgot as the main ingredient, the overall composition was what distinguished it though, like a cook is able to get much more than the sum of the parts out of the ingredients by choosing compatible ones and doing appropriate processing.
Also, top location. College Ave. somewhere, not University Ave, maybe corner Ashby, and ca. twenty to twenty-five years ago.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S14402...
Another effect of caffeine is as an adenosine re-uptake antagonist. Adenosine levels are usually low in the morning, so the effect is small. Later in the day, it can have a bigger effect on how alert you feel.
For example, 1 cup of coffee for my wife involves a blend of coffee and espresso beans with no adders, but 1 cup to her dad means lighter roast bean with milk. Both options have different caffeine contents and nutritional values.
Frankly, no. 1 cup of caffeinated coffee is on average significantly more caffeine than 0 cups, which is all you need for sufficient n. The only confounding variable to worry about here is whether caffeine is entering the diets of the two experimental groups at different rates via other channels (e.g., are the people who are forbidden to drink coffee drinking more tea to compensate?), though even this effect, if present, would likely tend to decrease the separation of the outcome distributions and is thus a low threat to validity.
People obsess over precision when it is often one of the least important aspects of an experiment. The outcomes of studies like this are in practice absolutely dependent on quality and rates of compliance. Choosing an uncomplicated treatment that is easy and natural for subjects to comply with is not merely acceptable but in fact a massively better design than complex protocols involving precisely measured quantities of lab-grown coffee in vials that can be misplaced, forgotten, deliberately shunned, etc. Also in this case the treatment corresponds closely to the real-world situation that the research is attempting to learn about.
> If allocated to caffeinated coffee consumption, patients were encouraged to drink at least 1 cup of caffeinated coffee (or at least 1 espresso shot) and other caffeine-containing products every day as per their usual lifestyle. It was recommended that patients in the coffee consumption group not intentionally increase or decrease consumption of coffee or other caffeine-containing products.
> If allocated to the abstinence group, patients were encouraged to completely abstain from coffee, including decaffeinated coffee, and other caffeine containing products.
Sounds like the cause could also be some other substance than caffeine? Decaf still contains various other alkaloids.
Suggestion: Got to the article, hit PgDn a few times, and look at the "Visual Abstract" graphic - which is both very short, and packed with important details.
> The DECAF (Does Eliminating Coffee Avoid Fibrillation?) trial...
Fantastic naming.
I used to drink minimum 36oz (~150mg of caffeine per cup) of coffee per day and it was just turning me into an absolute wreck and just cutting back that little bit has made a huge difference. So instead of 450mg of caffeine, I'm getting ~270mg, so just a little above half the intake and it's made a huge difference.
A-fib just seemed like a natural consequence of the "caffeine peak" and reducing my consumption helped quite a bit.
The key is to find other warm beverages to drink and get protein and sugar into you in the morning.
We've been loving Golden Lattes!
From a quick skim, the protocol seemed to be “advise the patient to drink at least one cup of coffee per day or continue drinking your usual amount.” So it seems the results don’t track with your experience (or my own experience of improved stress and happiness when I cut down on coffee) which is why I think it’s surprising / possibly a fluke.
From best to worst, for me: Yerba mate > healthi-ish energy drinks > white/green/black tea > coffee.
Coffee almost always results in significant anxiety (at same caffeine dose), jitteriness, and acid reflux. Yerba mate is by far the best for me.
No such thing!
Weird story: I bought a Kardia when I was having mystery arrhythmia. At its worst, a half cup of coffee would trigger it, but at that point I suspect the anxiety of getting it was also a trigger.
It was caused by a minoxidil+finasteride spray I was applying to my head for a year. It slowly got worse over time so it took me way too long to suspect it.
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