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Demis Hassabis on Gemini 3, world models, and the AI bubble

https://sources.news/p/demis-hassibas-on-gemini-3-world
1•gmays•7m ago•0 comments

The lost cause of the Lisp machines

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Volvo Drops Luminar and Lidar from Future Models

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2•paulpauper•58m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Ford can't find mechanics for $120K: It takes math to learn a trade

https://www.joannejacobs.com/post/ford-can-t-find-mechanics-for-120k-it-takes-math-to-learn-a-trade
38•mhb•1h ago

Comments

t-writescode•56m ago
Do what we used to do.

Pay them more. 120k is like 60k in mid 1990s money.

And, pay for their education. Invest in local colleges to help guide curriculum in what you need. That’s what defense contractors and mega corps do / have done.

Stop complaining and be stewards of your community. Like Henry Ford argued back in the day, “I want my employees to be able to buy a Ford”. Invest and the people will invest back.

paulpauper•51m ago
Why not pay them 300k/year? 500k? It has to be viable or worthwhile for both parties
mapontosevenths•44m ago
> Why not pay them 300k/year? 500k?

That's a great idea! We could take the difference from the CEO's pay.

vitaflo•41m ago
Congrats you just bought yourself 10 mechanics.
shtzvhdx•29m ago
The SEC requires companies to disclose the executive pay to median salary.

It 2023 it was 312:1.

Ok, but $500 000/year isnt a median salary. But Ford's CEO is $26.4 million, so 53:1.

Gather up the rest of the C-suit at Ford and you got a couple hundred mechanics.

Do that to Stellantis and GM and you're at about 500 mechanics. 10 per state is not an insignificant number of high paid mechanics.

Add Boeing, Raytheon, Lockheed, GE, and all the other once great industrial American jewels run by idiots and you have financed the training of a large portion of the American workforce.

xp84•26m ago
Except, now those companies have no leadership at all so just tell the workers to just do whatever seems like a good idea and hope for the best?

Why haven't we seen a bunch of successful companies without any management if management is so useless/harmful? Just ICs self-organizing to run the whole business. Without any execs to pay they'd have a cost advantage running that way.

hobs•28m ago
Say we pay them 1 million dollars instead of (googled) 25 million dollars. If we increase the compensation by another 60 thousand dollars a year that gives us room for 400 additional mechanics.

The stock price of Ford might even go up if you could improve the repair situation.

bryanrasmussen•26m ago
total compensation for Ford CEO is 24.9 million. But obviously it doesn't need to work that it is just taken from his money.

I propose that if the money for mechanics is needed, it can be gotten by redirecting capital from other parts of the system to invest in mechanics, funny that math is the subject here because this redirecting of capital could even be thought of a mathematical process, although really more a number of related processes together, I shall call these processes that control how money will be moved to handle problems in the systems that exist to generate more money "Capitalism".

In the rest of my work I shall discuss how the processes that control circulation of money will lead to its accumulation and conversion to power among a subset of power, allowing them to over time amass more and more power, I will note the problems this will imply but not really offer a solution as my primary interest is in describing the ways that need for a thing will cause the investment in that thing to rise over time, and decrease thereby investment in other things, as though the whole were an impartial and, as noted, nearly mathematical process in its elegance.

solomonb•42m ago
They (and everyone else) should be paid the maximum amount the company can afford to pay while still being sustainable.
vineyardmike•31m ago
And if that’s too little, the company should go under and make room for a company with the cash flow to pay people a salary high enough to accept the job offer.
NoMoreNicksLeft•36m ago
You raise a valid point that doesn't deserve the downvoting...

But have you considered it fully? We're in a heap of shit if the pay that employers can truly afford is lower than the pay that employees require to earn the minimal livelihood. If there is really realsy no overlap there, then you need to stock up on canned food and shotgun shells.

mhb•50m ago
We used to be able to assume that high school and college graduates could do elementary school math. Maybe what we used to do would be more palatable if we weren't pissing away money on dysfunctional public education.
paulpauper•47m ago
From what I have read online, failing high school is almost impossible. GPAs inflated to the point of useless.
cpursley•34m ago
My wife was a Title I teacher high school for a while, there was a LOT of pressure to “pass” kids out of the system for that sweet Federal money and other lets say, “political” reasons (like internal/local level, not left/right stuff). And she absolutely did her best to get them to pass on their own merit, but there’s only so much you can do if students don’t have the prerequisites + culture and motivation.
SonOfKyuss•16m ago
> From what I have read online...

Don't believe everything you read online.

My experience from actually having 2 kids currently in high school is that failing is damn near impossible, but GPA absolutely does mean something for most kids. There is definitely a group of kids at the bottom that in decades past would have been held back or dropped out and those kids are now just passed along. Is that better or worse than having them drop out? I don't really know, but the reality is that those kids likely wouldn't have been cut out for these jobs anyway. At the other end of the spectrum, the competition at the top can be fierce. My kids and their peers stress way more about their GPA than I ever did because competition for colleges has gotten tougher. The education is there for those who want to take advantage of it.

germinalphrase•47m ago
Alternatively, we have decades of credentials inflation such that our high school graduates can indeed do math - but we choose to pretend they can’t and instead insist that an expensive undergraduate degree is required for entry level work.
shtzvhdx•37m ago
Unlike the humanities, it is trivially easy to test if high school grads are just as good at math. Test them on the same questions.

In fact, doesn't the SAT purposely include recycled problems to measure capability drift vs time?

xp84•29m ago
You'd better duck before the people who "don't test well" come for you. There are millions of people out there who swear they know a ton of things and have great skills in math/science/whatever, but when asked to demonstrate them in any verifiable way (a "test") they freeze up and perform poorly. I don't really think those people are all lying (it's probably an anxiety disorder) but the entire notion of being able to empirically measure knowledge/skills/aptitude is controversial to some people.
rahimnathwani•19m ago
I can bend spoons with my mind, but only when nobody is watching.
JumpCrisscross•18m ago
> don't really think those people are all lying

They may not be lying. But it isn't that relevant. Someone knowing how to do something they can't perform isn't going to be useful as a mechanic.

mhb•10m ago
It's also not relevant because are there more of the anxious testers now?
xp84•33m ago
I feel like you and GP are both right.

A ton of high school graduates can't do basic math (which also explains their economic illiteracy, like believing that just taxing billionaires more would fix everything[1]).

And also at the same time, we demand college degrees for white-collar jobs that anyone who completed the alleged requirements to graduate high school could totally do. I think this stems from an outdated belief that college is difficult and challenging, and therefore getting through it proves you're exceptionally clever. A notion that has been a joke for at least 15 years if not 20.

So everything is fake. The diplomas are fake, the degrees are fake, and the job requirements are fake. All of it is being used to come up with legal and justifiable ways to pick the people with sufficient brain cells to be entrusted with job responsibilities.

[1] Most college graduates would likely get this question orders of magnitude wrong: If you could split the full net worth of the top 10 billionaires equally among every man, woman, and child in America how big would each one's check be? Correct answer: Just over $6,000. (Of course, we'll ignore how to deal with the market crash caused by forcing the sudden liquidation of their 2 trillion dollars in assets.)

greesil•21m ago
Does going to college and learning say, compilers or differential equations not have value? Your employer won't teach you. Please don't tell me the heat equation is fake.
BobaFloutist•4m ago
I think they're saying that learning compilers, differential equations, or the heat equation aren't actually that relevant for getting a mid-level procurement job or becoming the manager of a hotel.
dv_dt•3m ago
Imagine trying to advance that the proposition of taxing billionaires is negatable on basic math. That's a critical thinking error, probably compounded by a lack of education in humanities and civilization not a basic math problem.
JumpCrisscross•20m ago
> we have decades of credentials inflation such that our high school graduates can indeed do math

PISA math scores for American students fell over the last two decades [1].

[1] https://www.exploringtheproblemspace.com/new-blog/2025/1/23/...

rahimnathwani•20m ago
8.5% of UC Davis freshmen start the year without having mastered high school math.

See page 11 of this report: https://senate.ucsd.edu/media/740347/sawg-report-on-admissio...

I'm guessing if we were to take a random sample of high school graduates, the % would be much worse.

BobaFloutist•6m ago
First, that's UCSD, not UC Davis. They mention UC Davis in the report, but the 8.5% refers to UCSD.

Secondly, mastering high school math is genuinely difficult these days. I'm a math major, I've made it through my calc courses and differential equations, but I found Algebra 2 legitimately hard. Logarithms and Trigonometric functions are counterintuitive, and not everybody is at their peak ability to buckle down and grind through things when they're struggling at age 17.

And lastly, this is pretty obviously at least in part a knock-on affect of covid, hence the extremely recent major spike. I'm not sure it's worth generalizing from "UC San Diego Students admitted in the last couple of years are struggling with high school math (because they were in high school during lockdown)" to "We shouldn't try paying mechanics more because everyone's bad at math"

JumpCrisscross•1m ago
> Trigonometric functions are counterintuitive

Machinists use trig.

SonOfKyuss•28m ago
There are plenty of high school and college graduates that can do elementary school math. They are just going into more lucrative fields. If Ford wants those candidates, they need to offer more competitive salaries.
SoftTalker•24m ago
I mean, I’ve been in tech for over 30 years and I don’t make $120k. SV salaries are outlandish compared to many parts of the country.
SonOfKyuss•13m ago
I'm not in SV either and $120k would be well below average for someone with 30 years experience in my area. Of course, "in tech" can mean a lot of things. From what I have seen, tech writers and IT help desk folk don't make nearly as much as SW developers.
tstrimple•1m ago
You're likely being underpaid. I'm in Iowa and regularly see software devs with offers higher than that. The last company I was at, they brought an intern back with a $140k starting salary. He was making more than an "architect" who had been at the company for 16 years.
tw04•28m ago
Ahh, yes the key to mathematics being an issue is public education. We should privatize it so that half the population goes from under educated to completely uneducated.

Or maybe we could go with the coal town model and have children accrue debt to a major corporation that they can literally never pay off in exchange for an education!

MBCook•25m ago
I don’t see GP proposing privatizating.
kritiko•51s ago
US has PISA scores that are roughly equivalent to Western Europe. I think the kids who can do math just get sorted into better jobs.
darth_avocado•40m ago
Another thing I’ve heard is that Ford is terrible at designing maintainable cars and mechanics lose money working on them because Ford doesn’t accurately represent the time it takes to fix something. It was akin to replacing the gasket requires them to pick the engine apart and rebuild it, while Ford only pays them for an hour of labor. I can’t find the exact video at the moment but the reality is that even if Ford paid $120k, you’d probably be working 80 hours a week.
GenerWork•24m ago
>mechanics lose money working on them because Ford doesn’t accurately represent the time it takes to fix something

I believe this is mainly for warranty or recall work. If it's out of warranty, then the charges can be much higher. It also depends on the difficulty of the work being done. I had my Mustangs rear diff seal replaced under warranty, and I guarantee you that doing that wasn't that bad in terms of pay or time taken.

2OEH8eoCRo0•35m ago
How come Henry Ford could do this but modern companies cannot?

I've only seen Electric Boat do this (defense contractor) and it's likely because the govt pays for it!

fooker•27m ago
Because it takes a lot more education to work at a modern factory than what it took in 1930.

The rest of the world has kept up. Even if you could hypothetically cram 12 years of education into six months of training, the kind of mental effort required to go through that training would be quite impossible for the average person.

But why do that when it’s so much easier to blame AI or immigration, or whatever the new boogeyman of the day is.

theideaofcoffee•30m ago
“We can’t possibly afford to do this. It doesn’t make sense! What if we pay for all of this training and they leave?”

“What if you don’t and they stay?”

These companies think they can just reap all of the rewards without any investment, it’s stupid. I definitely agree with you saying that there needs to be a return to these places taking more care and investing in long-term people. Like you said, invest in them and they’ll invest in you.

bagacrap•26m ago
Where do you find the pay for [Ford] auto mechanics in 1995?
SilentM68•19m ago
I agree with your statement, for the most part. Investing in community college programs is one route since they are essentially a business. The main problem with the CCs is that they are very corrupt, have been issuing students worthless degrees. Essentially, the graduates don't have marketable skills. The colleges' goal is reaching a "graduation quota," and not "employability."

Another way to go is adult and high school education, i.e. the old auto shop classes that are currently very hard to find. This goes for any other trade, such as Drafting, Welding, as well not just auto shop.

So, yea, companies should pay more and invest in education, rather than bitch and complain about the lack of fully train workers.

Sol Roth

Moto7451•3m ago
Community Colleges being considered corrupt is not an accusation I’ve heard. Is there something behind this or are you grouping them with the issues seen with Public Universities and grants/loans fueling spiraling tuition?

The Community College I went to was about $20 per unit and offered a great education. Currently they’re $46 per unit. The instructors worked in the industry and were sharper than my 200 level University course instructors I paid $100 per unit for the year after my Associates Degree. I went to University as the Great Recession happened and had to go back to Community College as financial markets melted (and some life events happened) and that Associates Degree and an additional quarter of a Bachelors has served me well. I got my first job in software through a Community College affiliated internship, hopped to a Startup, and after a lot of years in between I’m on here musing with the rest of the industry.

There are certainly “Extension” or non Trades “Certificate Only” programs but when looking at LinkedIn’s Alumni view they’ve minted a lot of Solar Techs, Electricians, and Building Engineers. I took Electronics courses as an elective with the PV guys and it was a lot of fun and seems rather profitable for that cohort.

Ergo, I’m genuinely curious to know if this has been derailed in some way at large. Do you have any links to news on this?

rawgabbit•54m ago
I find this hard to believe. How did they screen applicants?
Sevii•53m ago
Just amazing that people keep letting the Ford CEO get away with this fake $120k claim.
fooker•23m ago
You could try to start a manufacturing business and see how it goes. It’s pretty dire.

Check out the ‘Smarter Everyday’ YouTube video for what it took to get people to design and manufacture a simple grill scrubber in the US.

They could find exactly one old retired guy with the knowledge and experience to make a mold, across several states.

MBCook•23m ago
Can you provide a link debunking it?
jmclnx•52m ago
So Ford's CEO said this, I almost fell on the floor laughing.

>We are not investing in educating a next generation

It is people like you who caused this with chasing short term profits and paying off US Congress people and presidents to cut your taxes.

Education needs to be paid for by someone. Tax cuts for the wealthy and paying minimum wage to most workers caused this, look in the mirror.

ungreased0675•6m ago
The US spends a huge amount of money on education though. The root cause can’t be a lack of resources due to insufficient tax revenue, there’s no evidence of that.
bsder•52m ago
Except they don't actually pay $120K per year.

If the auto mechanics were paid a salary of $120K per year for 40 hours per week, they'd be flooded with applicants.

Instead, that $120K number is if you can work the requisite number of overtime hours and you don't pay attention to having to buy your own tools and ...

emchammer•43m ago
Do mechanics prefer to work with their own tools, or is this like a restaurant getting away with paying a tipped employee less than minimum wage because they can?
Spellman•38m ago
Generally the rule is you buy your own tools and then take them with you if you leave the shop.

Lots of mechanics prefer owning their own tools because the community shop tools will end up beat up and not cared for. Plus, another thing locking you down to the location. On the other hand that's yet another personal expense.

kayodelycaon•49m ago
I saw the management my parents and grandparents had to deal with. I saw the hours they worked. I saw how little they were appreciated. I saw how companies screwed over people who had worked for decades.

They haven’t changed one bit.

They’re lying about how much they’re paying people. That’s a maximum you can earn working 70 hours per week, not the base.

I am completely unsurprised they can’t find anybody to work for them.

greekrich92•48m ago
Invest in candidates who will be ruthless about funding education and increasing the top marginal tax rate. What's that? I'm hearing this guy doesn't want to pay taxes?
AngryData•47m ago
Go ahead and look up the pay for mechanics in Michigan, he is spewing pure bullshit. Most mechanics here have never in their life made $100k in a year, even with considerable overtime.
paulpauper•46m ago
absurd pay claims usually mean after taking into account maximum possible overtime hours
ktallett•44m ago
Ford spending $4 million to fund scholarships is going to make as much change to the system as me giving a homeless person a quarter. Considering how expensive college is, what exactly will that fund.
kayodelycaon•42m ago
Maybe 200 people, if you’re optimistic.
tclancy•23m ago
Not sure why this is downvoted. It doesn’t even qualify as a rounding error. There are individuals that spend more than this sending other peoples kids to college.
somanyphotons•40m ago
$company can't find high skilled people willing to work for low wages
RegW•37m ago
Is this some obscure hint that there will be well paid skilled jobs to replace those taken away by AI?

I'm sure I've previously heard it implied that all the grooms who lost their jobs to motor cars became mechanics and chauffeurs. Surely this would be just too poetic.

theoldgreybeard•31m ago
Invest in upskilling then.
bgwalter•30m ago
The first comment on the website says that $120K is a lie.

Then of course, why would you specialize in the F150 if they add new electronic BS every 2 years, the car will perhaps be obsolete in 7 years or all tariffs on BYD are lifted in 8 years.

Maybe keep cars general and don't make them proprietary, then people will learn general skills.

1v1id•26m ago
I'm no expert, but from a quick Google search that looks to be twice the median income for a mechanic. If they can't find workers at that income level, it seems to me that they are either filtering based on another criteria (more than just trade school, as the article suggests) or Ford must be such an awful place to work that nobody applies.
MillironX•7m ago
Bureau of Labor Statistics says that the mean annual wage of "Automotive Technicians and Repairers (SOC code 49-3020)" is $55,780 as of May 2025, so yeah, something doesn't add up.
casey2•23m ago
20% of highschool graduates know calculus but we can't get our shit together to hire any of them. We really need H-1Bs to work on oversized RC cars the skills are just too difficult for home grown plants.
SonOfKyuss•9m ago
Up until about 2 years ago, the kids taking calculus were becoming SW engineers for 3x the pay. Now maybe there will be some left over for Ford to hire.
tclancy•19m ago
As an old, I feel for the author. Her bio suggests she is or was sympathetic to the working class, but she done got old and moved to Silicon Valley so I wonder.

“The Ford CEO's grandfather was one of the company's early employees, hired to work on the Model T.”

Yeah, and one of my grandfathers was a cop and the other a foreman on a jewelry shop floor. Both of which have as much to do with my coding career as the square root of sweet Fanny Adams. My dad put himself through college by working in a garage. I will admit the math in the 50s or so was more rigorous than what I had in the 80s, but the idea anyone interested in working on cars can’t be taught from almost scratch seems like a strong take. Whether you paid attention in pre-algebra or not is going to have little to do with your ability to balance four tires as a system or clean a carb or set engine timing via a computer.

pbnjeh•19m ago
Mechanics are a "cost center". Modern "Management" does not like paying for "cost centers".

The rest is atmospherics.

(The US has, in general, taken a similar attitude towards public education, while simultaneously making it responsible for "everything" regarding children's upbringing. Compounding the problem.)

asciimov•17m ago
Ford needs to step up, if it can’t find mechanics.

Pay is too low for entry level people, at maybe $14 an hour. That’s before the Snap-on Truck comes by and saddles that tech with $40k of debt.

Give entry level workers a living wage, and give them tools to use (and keep after investing 3 years in the business). Have an actual pipeline for certification and training and remove the gate keeping of many dealers that prevent good techs from becoming better mechanics. Do better at engineering vehicles so they are easier to work on.

As this CEO knows, doing the right thing is harder than complaining.

sonzohan•16m ago
Community College professor here, in the midst of leaving my community college for a full university.

Let me dissect this article with uncompromising scrutiny:

> "...have over a million openings in critical jobs, emergency services, trucking, factory workers, plumbers, electricians and tradesmen.”

Maybe because for 30 years America sold the idea that you need a bachelors degree to do the majority of these jobs, while simultaneously implying that you only needed 2 years of vocational school? A lot of these require extensive apprenticeships and experience (576 classroom hours, 8,000 experience hours, passing exams for a journeyman electrician license in Oregon). It's absolutely not "Go to school for 2 years and get paid $120k."

Furthermore, most of the trades are brutal on your body, mind, and lifestyle.

> "we don't have trade schools anymore"

We do, and we do our best to train students on only the absolute necessary skills that get them the job and working as quickly as possible. Corporations stopped meaningfully supporting them while simultaneously raising expectations. Major companies stopped most training and orientation programs or significantly scaled them back, passed the burden of training onto community colleges and trade schools, and now complain that our tools and techniques are out of date.

Ford does at my college this while keeping their name slapped on the auto mechanic's program because they helped start the program 20 years ago. Now they're upset because they're not getting the same returns while my fellow instructors struggle to teach on supplies that are 2 decades old.

> "What we don't have are enough young people with the literacy and math proficiency needed to learn skilled trades."

A lot of the K-12 complaint is the No Child Left Behind act and the effects of Common Core. Lots of throwing up of hands here saying "Well guess there's nothing we can do. We have all these high paying jobs that no one wants"

Wanna fix this? Eliminate No Child Left Behind. Actually invest in teachers, tutors, and the people making the impact. Stop calling teachers 'heroes', and give us the resources to actually instruct kids. Stop assuming a household with 2-3 kids, 2 parents that work full time (overtime in today's America), are barely making ends meet, and have no extended family to help kids with homework or tutor, are going to somehow do extremely well.

In fact, we have loads of papers that demonstrate that math scores and grades are pretty tightly correlated with parents'/family ability and availability to help kids with homework. Maybe have parents work less so they can tutor their kids more?

> "Workers who struggle to read grade-level text cannot read complicated technical manuals or diagnostic instructions."

They don't have trouble reading grade-level text. This is a complete misunderstanding of what those tests evaluate. More importantly: If they're struggling to read those complicated manuals or diagnostic instructions, maybe it's because most manufacturers eliminated a lot of the repairability of cars in the past few decades and scaled back their service manuals? Maybe invest in technical writing again?

> They were passed on with inflated grades

Because you stopped hiring anyone with less than a 3.0-4.0. If a teacher's job is to get a student a job in the trades, you won't hire them because their GPA is poor, and we get fired if too many students fail, guess what we (instructors) are going to do?

> "If they can’t handle middle-school math they can’t program high-tech machines or robotics, or operate the automated equipment found in modern factories and repair shops."

Also not correct, and a gross misinterpretation of what the national exams show. Most students can do most math with a calculator just fine, mental math not so much, but it's rare to be in a shop without some kind of computer or calculator nowadays. If you want people who have completed a 2 year trade program to be able to competently do calculus, robotics, PLCs, and program, you need to admit that the job requires far beyond 'middle-school math'.

> ""Servicing an electric vehicle requires interpreting data flows, troubleshooting electronics, and following precise, multistep instructions." It's not a job for "grease monkeys."

Here is the crux of the problem. All of these are needs that are way beyond a standard mechanical technician's toolkit. You need them to dual train as electrical engineers and mechanical engineers with notable expertise in 12/24v and rather high voltages for EVs. You don't want 'average technicians' for 120k, you want dual-degree mechanical and electrical engineers to work for you for less than their going market rate. If your toolchain requires more than an understanding of ODB2 (or 1-2 device) readings and a solid understanding of vehicular operations and what commonly breaks, then you've spent too much time making your products unrepairable and obtuse.

drweevil•14m ago
>Farley complained that "we don't have trade schools anymore," reports Avi Zilber in the New York Post.

Who, exactly, is this "we"? Capitalists talk up The Market, but are unwilling to pay market-driven wages and salaries, and expect others, usually the government, to foot the bill for training their skilled workers.

It would also help if Ford and other vehicle manufacturers put some thought into incorporating maintainability into their designs. Their newest offerings are a hot mess in this respect.