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Verifying your Matrix devices is becoming mandatory

https://element.io/blog/verifying-your-devices-is-becoming-mandatory-2/
21•LorenDB•1h ago

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olivia-banks•35m ago
What exactly does this entail? I'm willing to be charitable in assuming that their use of "verify" isn't the modern usage of "give us your ID!" but I'm not enmeshed enough in the ecosystem anymore to know.
ranger_danger•19m ago
My understanding is that there's two different types of verification.

Self-verification means that any new secondary devices you log into your account with will need to be verified by an existing login by way of an automatic popup that asks if you trust the device. It used to just be a Yes/No button but I think now they've added QR codes and/or emoji matching.

The other kind is verification between two different people, like when starting a direct message conversation, you might get the same emoji matching window to verify each other.

tripdout•35m ago
What is verification? What does it involve doing? A lot of information on why it's useful, but how is it implemented? I hope it's not something like the Play Integrity API, but with no information to go on, I can't say either way.
olivia-banks•32m ago
Yeah, I was wondering this as well. At the very least, this appears to be an Element requirement that was just enabled by a Matrix protocol update, so moving would be possible, but afaik Element is extremely popular as far as Matrix goes.
ThePinion•26m ago
In the current state, it's basically just a self verification. When you use a new device it shows a series of emoji on each device and asks you if they're the same, then the device is verified.
mroche•24m ago
You can also use a generated security key to verify as a type of second-factor.
totetsu•25m ago
https://element.io/en/help#encryption-device-verification

> After Alice logs in on a new device, she uses her cryptographic identity to demonstrate to Bob that the new device genuinely belongs to her, rather than being added by someone else with access to her account. She can do this either by entering her recovery key (which gives the new device immediate access to her cryptographic identity ), or by carrying out an interactive verification from an existing verified device.

bfkwlfkjf•25m ago
Is this the ritual of getting together with a person and checking that their fingerprint match what you see on the app?

If this is that case what will happen is that people will start verifying everyone (because they might want to text to strangers that they can't bother verifying because the stakes are so low) and so verification will lose all meaning.

ranger_danger•18m ago
Isn't this how TLS itself already works? "trust on first use"?
lousken•20m ago
"The authenticity of this encrypted message cant be guaranteed on this device" both sides verified, but this still randomly pops up, what happens then? will i lose those messages in the future?
jerrythegerbil•13m ago
As someone whose devices randomly became unverified just a few months ago, signed out, and then tried to use my recovery keys: I was authenticated, but unverified.

When attempting to verify iOS, Desktop linux didn’t work. When attempting to verify Desktop Linux, Desktop Windows didn’t work. When verifying Android, iOS didn’t work. Every verified official client for every platform was verified, tried a different verification method than expected, and failed.

All of this to say, this isn’t the first time this has happened to myself and others. Forcing verification is otherwise known as unexpected “offboarding”. If some verification methods have problems, publish a blog about their deprecation instead.

I love element, but this can’t be done without prior work to address.

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