The entire thesis of once in 300 years or once in 1000 years or once in 100 years weather event really has to be let go by the media. The fact is these things are happening or more and more often and are a direct result of climate change and then not once in 300 years, they’re happening all the time
roughly•2mo ago
I mean, we’re still working on convincing people that climate change is actually happening, so if they want to keep reporting the 100yr storms that happen every year now, that’s fine by me.
ragebol•2mo ago
They should be clearer: "storms that were once in a 100 years in the 'old' climate".
But how do you fit in nuance and statistics into news headlines etc?
grebc•2mo ago
English has good words for severity which is what they’re trying to impart.
potato3732842•2mo ago
There is a huge difference between "once per location per 100yr" and "once per 100yr".
Every year there is at least one hurricane Katrina equivalent storm in the world. Having one in New Orleans is once in hundreds of years. Anywhere on the gulf coast is once in, IDK, a dozen.
So you can pretty easily lie and mislead (accidentally or not the results are the same) by not being super careful about scope.
1718627440•2mo ago
This is a well-known term, that categorizes the norm in a specific location. It would be useless to use it across locations.
ragebol•2mo ago
Makes all the difference indeed.
No place nor patience for such nuance nor precise definitions in the news unfortunately.
potato3732842•2mo ago
>No place nor patience for such nuance nor precise definitions in the news unfortunately.
You might even say there's strong incentives in the opposite direction.
griffzhowl•2mo ago
The article says it's the heaviest rainfall recorded in Hat Yai over the last 300 years. So that's the actual meaning, and interpreting it in the probabilistic sense seems to have been the initiative of the headline writer.
senectus1•2mo ago
yeah they should measure rainfall in swimming pools, or sydney harbours.
georgefrowny•2mo ago
It's also a bad statistical method because if there are 300 cities/regions in the world and a storm hits a random one of them most severely each time, on average you will expect to have one city/region every year seeing a 300-year storm even in a static climate.
Not that I think the climate isn't changing, but because if the headlines are obviously p-hacking all the time you get all climate change reporting eventually called fake news even when it isn't.
1718627440•2mo ago
I think these terms state how likely some event is for some climate, which is useful for people who don't live in that climate. It isn't so much used for real statistic.
1718627440•2mo ago
This is a severity scale primed with how much likely it was in the past. We might adjust that scale in a century, but the events severity don't change and it would be useless to continuously adjust a scale, while trying to use it, that would make it meaningless.
fghorow•2mo ago
'Once in 300 years'???
While the functional form of the statistical distributions themselves might still be valid, certainly the old parameters are no longer so.
j16sdiz•2mo ago
Nobody knows the future. Most of the time we just use historical data directly, or project linearly.
These kind of headline is very misleading. Need better way to communicate these.
1718627440•2mo ago
That is a severity scale using anecdotal past events. It isn't intended to be a sound statistical claim.
adammarples•2mo ago
It's not even that, it's just the heaviest rainfall recorded in 300 years
andrewstuart•2mo ago
roughly•2mo ago
ragebol•2mo ago
But how do you fit in nuance and statistics into news headlines etc?
grebc•2mo ago
potato3732842•2mo ago
Every year there is at least one hurricane Katrina equivalent storm in the world. Having one in New Orleans is once in hundreds of years. Anywhere on the gulf coast is once in, IDK, a dozen.
So you can pretty easily lie and mislead (accidentally or not the results are the same) by not being super careful about scope.
1718627440•2mo ago
ragebol•2mo ago
No place nor patience for such nuance nor precise definitions in the news unfortunately.
potato3732842•2mo ago
You might even say there's strong incentives in the opposite direction.
griffzhowl•2mo ago
senectus1•2mo ago
georgefrowny•2mo ago
Not that I think the climate isn't changing, but because if the headlines are obviously p-hacking all the time you get all climate change reporting eventually called fake news even when it isn't.
1718627440•2mo ago
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