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The State of GPL Propagation to AI Models

https://shujisado.org/2025/11/27/gpl-propagates-to-ai-models-trained-on-gpl-code/
53•jonymo•1h ago

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graemep•28m ago
The article repeatedly treats license and contract as though they are the same, even though the sidebar links to a post that discusses the difference.

A lot of it boils down to whether training an LLM is a breach of copyright of the training materials which is not specific to GPL or open source.

xgulfie•25m ago
And the current norm that the trillion dollar companies have lobbied for is that you can train on copyrighted material all you want so that's the reality we are living in. Everything ever published is all theirs.
maxloh•10m ago
To my understanding, if the material is publicly available or obtained legally (i.e., not pirated), then training a model with it falls under fair use.

Once training is established as fair use, it doesn't really matter if the license is MIT, GPL, or a proprietary one.

blibble•6m ago
fair use only applies to the united states (and poland)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use#/media/File:Fair_use_...

and it is certainly not part of the Berne Convention

in almost every country in the world even timeshifting using your VCR and ripping your own CDs is illegal

OneDeuxTriSeiGo•5m ago
It's not specific to open source but it's most clearly enforceable with open source as there will be many contributors from many jurisdictions with the one unifying factor being they all made their copyright available under the same license terms.

With proprietary or more importantly single-owner code, it's far easier for this to end up in a settlement rather than being drug out into an actual ruling, enforcement action, and establishment of precedence.

That's the key detail. It's not specific to GPL or open source but if you want to see these orgs held to account and some precedence established, focusing on GPL and FOSS licensed code is the clearest path to that.

rvnx•26m ago
GPL and copyright in general don't apply to billionaires, so pretty much a non-topic.

It's just a side cost of doing business, because asking for forgiveness is cheaper and faster than asking for permission.

throwaway198846•3m ago
"Information wants to be free"? Many individuals pirated movies and games and got away with it. Of course two wrongs don't make a right and all that. Nonetheless one should be compensated for creating material that ai trained on for the same reasons copyright is compensated - to incentives people to produce it.
pclmulqdq•24m ago
I thought the whole concept of a viral license was legally questionable to begin with. There haven't been cases about this, as far as I know, and GPL virality enforcement has just been done by the community.
omnicognate•17m ago
The GPL was tested in court as early as 2006 [1] and plenty of times since. There are no serious doubts about its enforceability.

[1] https://www.fsf.org/news/wallace-vs-fsf

zamadatix•9m ago
I know it's not popular on HN to have anything but supportive statements around GPL, and I'm a big GPL supporter myself, but there is nuance in what is being said here.

That case was important, but it's not abojt the virality. There have been no concluded court cases involving the virality portion causing the rest of the code to also be GPL'd, but there are plenty involving enforcement of GPL on the GPL code itself.

The distinction is important because the article is about the virality causing the whole LLM model to be GPL'd, not just about the GPL'd code itself.

I'd like to think it wouldn't be a problem to enforce, but I've also never seen a court ruling truly about the virality portion to back that up either - which is all GP is saying.

iso1631•11m ago
If you don't like the license, then don't accept it.

You are then restricted by copyright just like with any other creation.

If I include the source code of Windows into my product, I can't simply choose to re-license it to say public domain and give it to someone else, the license that I have from Microsoft to allow me to use their code won't let me - it provides restrictions. It's just as "viral" as the GPL.

CamouflagedKiwi•6m ago
There have been a number of of cases, which are linked from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_General_Public_License#Leg...) - most recently Entr’Ouvert v. Orange had a strong judgement (under French law) in favour of the GPL.

Conversely, to my knowledge there has been no court decision that indicates that the GPL is _not_ enforceable. I think you might want to be more familiar with the area before you decide if it's legally questionable or not.

zamadatix•23m ago
The article goes deep into these two cases deemed most relevant but really there are a wide swath of similar cases all focused around defining sharper borders than ever around what is essentially the question "exactly when does it become copyright violation" with plenty of seemingly "obvious" answers which quickly conflict with each other.

I also have the feeling it will be much like Google LLC v. Oracle America, Inc., much of this won't really be clearly resolved until the end if the decade. I'd also not ve surprised if seemingly very different answers ended up bubbling up in the different cases, driven by the specifics of the domain.

Not a lawyer, just excited to see the outcomes :).

simgt•20m ago
What triggers me is how insistant Claude Code is on adding "co-authored by Claude" in commits, in spite of my settings and an instruction in CLAUDE.md. I wish all these tech bros were as willing to credit the human shoulders on which their products are built. But they'd be much less successful in our current system if they were that kind of people.
euazOn•14m ago
Try changing the system prompt or switch to opencode [0] - they allegedly reverse engineered Claude Code, and so the performance you get with Claude models should be very similar to Claude Code.

[0] https://github.com/sst/opencode

ljlolel•4m ago
And then also to all code made from the GPL’d ai model?
dmezzetti•1m ago
As someone who has spent more time than most developing open source software, I will say I genuinely dislike copyleft and GPL.

For those who are into freedom, I don't see how dictating how you use what you build in such a manner is in the spirit of free and open.

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