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Is America's jobs market nearing a cliff?

https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2025/11/30/is-americas-jobs-market-nearing-a-cliff
17•harambae•41m ago

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OgsyedIE•15m ago
https://archive.is/NvSXc

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Also, shocking to see no mention of the investment thesis, let alone critique of it.

chasd00•14m ago
Ftfa (the part I could read) “ growth is buoyed by an exuberant stockmarket and artificial-intelligence investment, while ordinary Americans languish”

Black Friday sales set records and it not even cyber Monday. If Americans are languishing then shouldn’t holiday spending be down?

seanmcdirmid•12m ago
Shouldn’t every year be a record considering population growth and inflation?
bitwize•9m ago
One of the truly great things about American toxic individualism is that it need not be constrained by rationality; American capitalism finds ways around that. Need to Christmas shop for everyone in your family but don't have enough actual income? Simply go into massive credit card debt! You're probably pre-approved for several cards already; check for our flyer!
nrhrjrjrjtntbt•8m ago
Black friday is a datapoint. But maybe people are deferring purchases to these sale periods. What proportion of goods were luxury vs. not.

Also poor people can get into debt they are still poor. Maybe they can afford a nintendo switch but not afford to raise a family.

clumsysmurf•7m ago
I delayed (over a few months) many of my durable-good purchases to Black Friday / Cyber Monday. I can't be the only one.
tomrod•6m ago
K shaped economy with increasing expenditure means the wealthier increase their spending as a portion of the economy and at an absolute level. It is not interpreted as the polity doing well - if anything, it is cause for concern.
Ericson2314•5m ago
The wealthy don't buy more crap on black Friday.

Inequality is very visible in terms of what sort of consumption occurs. Gotta look at the qualitatives.

alfalfasprout•4m ago
Sure they do. And during the holiday season too.
alfalfasprout•5m ago
Not necessarily. Lots of explanations:

(1) People wait for when they perceive they'll get the best deals to do their shopping. (2) K-shaped economy (data is already bearing this out btw): Spending from the wealthy is driving consumption figures vs. the bulk of the population (3) Anxiety about rising prices cause people to purchase now vs. later. See for example RAM prices.

AuthAuth•4m ago
the country is growing so it will commonly "set records". We need to look at it in the context of previous years. Before I went and checked the stats I expected to see instore shopping to be down since americans are poorer than previous years and online shopping to be up since demand is growing and online caters to a worldwide audience.

Checking the stats online growth is up and on par with previous years creating that record breaking stat. Instore numbers arent out yet but some figures are claiming less foot traffic in stores compared with previous years. So i'd say to early to really call if spending was down(compared with expectations)

jinushaun•3m ago
Don’t underestimate credit cards and consumerism.
anon373839•3m ago
The rise in Black Friday sales is misleading because the sales reflect inflation rather than increased consumer demand.
glimshe•5m ago
No.

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