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Accepting US car standards would risk European lives

https://etsc.eu/accepting-us-car-standards-would-risk-european-lives-warn-cities-and-civil-society/
119•saubeidl•48m ago

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tormeh•18m ago
Obviously. Have you seen the Cybertruck? But I guess this is the price of the US remaining in NATO.
willvarfar•14m ago
I would guess it is a tariff thing rather than NATO. Is anyone in Europe really believing the USA still has our back?
tormeh•13m ago
Maybe. Maybe not. The uncertainty has value in and of itself, assuming Russia et al. experience the same uncertainty.
herbst•12m ago
Definitely no. At least not where I am from. America is just as bad s China, Russia or all the other freaks terrorising our world.

Edit:// I also don't know when this believe ever should have existed. Or why it would have existed in the first place

littlestymaar•11m ago
> Is anyone in Europe really believing the USA still has our back?

Pretty much every government unfortunately.

wkat4242•7m ago
I think they're just looking 3 years ahead.
wkat4242•9m ago
The cybertruck is not approved in Europe. Some people manage to use individual loopholes to import them but Tesla doesn't sell them here.
28304283409234•18m ago
"Since 2010, EU cardeaths decreased with -36%, US cardeaths increased by +30%"
herbst•16m ago
What a time to be alive!

(For Europeans)

CalRobert•17m ago
NotJustBikes just put out a video about this issue - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--832LV9a3I

A couple years ago he also made a video about these trucks more broadly - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jN7mSXMruEo

What's truly maddening is how many of these vehicles which _do not_ meet European safety standards are _already_ in Europe. Walk around Hilversum in the Netherlands and you will see plenty of Dodge Rams (mostly 1500's, but there's even a 2500 Dually usually parked on the sidewalk ("pavement "for Brits) where my kids used to go to school). They're imported under "Individual Vehicle Approval" rules, exempting them from type safety requirements, and on top of that are almost always registered as "business vehicles" (you can tell from the V plate) which means they pay an absolute pittance in tax.

I moved here to get away from American kindercrushers (among other reasons) and I am profoundly concerned that Europe is being invaded by these machines.

(Edit) Worth noting is that a lot of Dutch street design is based on the idea that people _can_ share space with cars in dense, low speed environments, but that assumption flies out the window when the vehicles are so large you can't even see a kid walking or biking to school.

Further edit - source - https://www.motorfinanceonline.com/news/dodge-ram-registrati... 5,000 Dodge Rams imported in to Europe in 2023 alone.

consp•5m ago
Afaik the payout is determined by your insurance, not the opposing party if you are not the cause. They will usually just stick to the standards set by the companies and not argue.

They are all business vehicles as the premiums would be so insane no person would pay it (which is a hint why they should not be in the road). The problem comes when the crash out costs the business and then you get nothing due to type of insurance (pretty much we pay nothing you pay everything yourself), or the ability of companies to fight endless court battles which your insurance likely does not cover.

My way of middle fingering them is reporting them every time they are either on the curb when there is a parking spot (not legal, blocking pedestrian access is only partially legal when there is no parking pace nearby and you leave enough space), or when they overextend onto the road which is a judgement call and up to the enforcing officer.

You also need to keep notice of people trying to get the municipality to widen parking spots and block that.

willvarfar•15m ago
The article says road deaths in USA are up 30% over last 15 years and links to https://www.transportation.gov/sites/dot.gov/files/2024-02/2.... That doc talks a lot about initiatives but what is the normal American's sense of what's going on on the street?
echelon•10m ago
Americans want big cars.

American regulations created a dichotomy where there's no middle ground. Big car or sour cream dollop with no space and no power.

Americans want big because big means "safety". An SUV feels safer next to the semi than a Smart car. They also want big to haul the occasional furniture between moves, go on the occasional road trip, bring all the gear when camping, or bring back a massive shopping haul.

American housing is way less dense outside the cities. There's no reason for a compact car if you live in the burbs apart from gas mileage.

At the same time, more and more people want to build bike lanes and people infra near roads. "Strong Towns" movement, etc.

We're putting more bicyclists on the roads next to big cars now.

bsder•7m ago
People driving "Brodozers(tm)" can't see shit near the vehicle due to both the big hood and being super high up, while the gigantic, flat front grille kills people rather than crumpling them over the hood.

And while I call them "Brodozers" to be derogatory, a significant number of really tiny females are driving them as well in the name of "safety". And they REALLY can't see anything over the hood.

The combination of gigantic blind spots and complete energy transfer is good at killing unarmored people.

sigmoid10•15m ago
>EU vehicle safety regulations have supported a 36% reduction in European road deaths since 2010. By contrast, road deaths in the US over the same period increased 30%, with pedestrian deaths up 80% and cyclist deaths up 50%

I didn't know this, but it is absolutely crazy. Every EU politician who tries to subvert car safety should be dismissed and tried for endangering public safety.

CalRobert•13m ago
They need to prop up dying German car companies, and are OK with using European lives as collateral.
jack_tripper•8m ago
>They need to prop up dying German car companies

Germany isn't the only economy dependent on the legacy auto sector. France, Italy, Romania, Czechia, Slovakia and Belgium also have a lot of jobs, or had, before the mass layoff of the last 2-3 years.

CalRobert•6m ago
True, France does too of course, but Germany has been particularly stubborn. There's infighting within Europe, for that matter - note Polestar opposing Merz's attempts to weaken Europe's phase out of combustion vehicles. https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/newsbirmingham/volvo-and-pole...
jack_tripper•5m ago
Stubbornness to change is part of Germany's national identity, more often than not towards its own detriment.
raverbashing•6m ago
As much as German car companies suck it's not them that are road killers
mihaaly•12m ago
I second that!
perakojotgenije•8m ago
And that is not counting in the fact that there far more pedestrians on the street in EU than in the USA. If there were the same amount of pedestrians in the USA as in the EU the statistics would be even worse.
gblargg•4m ago
You can't really compare the two. Vehicle safety regulations might not be able to make up for the USA having stroads and in general bad design. For the same reasons trying to move safety standards over could make things even worse than the USA due to them not fitting the conditions.
fsh•15m ago
US car regulations are weirdly inconsistent. Sometimes they are incredibly strict. You can't have a convex left side mirror and the right one has to carry a stupid warning label. Importing non-antique foreign cars is practically impossible. But then, some obviously unsafe features, such as indicators in the same color as the rear lights, are perfectly legal.
barrkel•5m ago
The non-convex side mirror almost got me into an accident the first rental car I drove in the US. I was expecting to see more of the road than I did.
mentalgear•11m ago
Compelling arguments, particularly regarding the proliferation of oversized American trucks - such as the Tesla Cybertruck monstrosity - which are predominantly used in urban areas and designed less for practicality and more to assert dominance on the road, at the expense of other users.

Adopting such standards in Europe risks accelerating the "bulkinzation" and "truckification" of our roads. This would not only strain already limited space for essential transportation and parking, but also severely increase risks to pedestrian and standard vehicle safety, and in general bring a more hostile road/societal environment a la American "predator capitalism" exemplified.

arjie•11m ago
It's got to be a nightmare to drive these large American cars in Europe. The streets really aren't the most accommodating for them. I rented a Mercedes V-class minivan for my family and friends to drive to a wedding in the UK and that was such a pain in London. I've never driven such a large vehicle in London before and I probably never will again. Should've just taken the train out to some far off spot before renting the car.

We also had a wedding to go to in France where we drove a Citroen C4. To be honest, if these weddings weren't so far from railway stations and we didn't have to transport so many people together I'd never have done it. And both these cars were tiny compared to the GMC Sierras or Cadillac Escalades you see on San Francisco streets.

I can only conclude that anyone who drives an American-size vehicle in these places is a masochist. It cannot be fun.

mkornaukhov•10m ago
It is strange that road deaths have been compared in the past, but protection from air pollution has been discussed since 2026. It is noteworthy that, according to IQAir, the air in the United States is less polluted than in most EU countries.

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