Curious, how come Django started to make major versions instead of 1.*?
Can be the decreasing in popularity the reason to make Something to change it?
- Moving all state-managament out of the backend and onto the frontend, in an supposedly easier to manage system
- Page refreshes are indeed jarring to users and more prone to leading to sudden context losses
- Desktop applications did not behave like web apps: they are "SPA"s in their own sense, without jarring refreshes or code that gets "yanked" out of execution. Since the OS has been increasingly abstracted under the browser, and the average computer user move more and more towards web apps[1], it stands to reason that the behavior of web apps should become more like that of desktop apps.
(Not saying I agree with these, merely pointing them out)
[1] These things are not entirely independent. It can be argued that the same powers that be (big corps) that pushed SPAs onto users are also pushing the "browser as OS" concept.
My actual opinion: I think it's a little bit of everything, with a big part of it coming from the fact that the web was the easiest way to build something that you could share with people effortlessly. Sharing desktop apps wasn't particularly easy (different targets, java was never truly run everywhere, etc.), but to share a webapp app you just put it online very quickly. And in general it is definitely easier to build an SPA (from the frontender's perspective) than something else
This creates a chain:
If I can create and share easily
-> I am motivated to do things easily
-> I learn that specific technology
-> the market is flooded with people who know this technology better than everything else
-> the market must now hire from this pool to get the cheapest workers (or those who cost less to acquire due to quicker hiring processes)
-> new devs know that they need to learn this technology to get hired
-> the cycle continues
So, TL;DR: Shorter barrier to entry
echelon•24m ago
Who uses Django, Rails, or similar full-featured frameworks?
Who uses micro-frameworks like Flask?
Who uses enterprise Java, Jetty, Dot Net, etc.?
Who uses an entirely Javascript stack?
Who uses a non-traditional language that has become more web-servicey, like Go, Rust, or Swift?
Who uses something so wildly untraditional that it's barely mentioned? OkCupid using C++, etc.?
Who uses an entirely custom framework (in any language)?
Would really love to see a break down of who is using what, how people feel about their tech stack, etc.?
justinator•23m ago
echelon•19m ago
Which version of Perl are you using, and what type of service(s) are you maintaining?
Is this older software, or do you use it for new projects too?
Have you rolled any sort of framework yourself?
What are your thoughts on Raku?
justinator•12m ago
About a quarter of a million lines of code, excluding the libraries I pull in. I'm mostly self-taught, they wouldn't even let me get a minor in Comp Sci, since I didn't have the math background (Needed Calculus, I completeled Algebra 2 in hs). Boneheaded Uni.
Raku: Second-system effect poster boy. Sensationally dysfunctional community. I think Pugs is what was actually really incredible and Audrey is probably one of the most intelligent people in... the World? Up for contention, but top 10.
yoavm•21m ago
hecanjog•20m ago
We use flask and go at work. I've been micro-framework or roll-my-own-framework most of my career. Go is new for me though, and it's grown on me enough that it's what I prefer for new web-facing projects even for little personal things.
thewebguyd•19m ago
I work in ops though, so I'm not building consumer-facing products but mostly IT glue code and internal tooling (mostly Go), dashboards, business report generators, gluing SaaS together, etc. (mostly dotnet/C#).
tcdent•16m ago
Lately I prefer to mix my own tooling and a couple major packages in for backends (FastAPI, SQLAchemy) that are still heavily inspired by patterns I picked up while using Django. I end up with a little more boilerplate, but I also end up with a little more stylistic flexibility.
wg0•13m ago
- Have written SPAs (React/Svelte)
- Have written Go based services
Each has their on pros and cons.
alberth•10m ago
Eg, this post has ~50 (though only posted an hour ago)
Rails 8 had ~550
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41766515
rabbitvictor•6m ago
bossyTeacher•5m ago