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Sam Altman's Dirty DRAM Deal

https://www.mooreslawisdead.com/post/sam-altman-s-dirty-dram-deal
50•pabs3•53m ago

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chasing0entropy•43m ago
Now this... was a really good move.

OP is also marginally underestimating the impact this move would have on Google's competitiveness - they are making huge gains prototyping at light speed; this will halt their AI hardware acceleration plans pushing them back into slower software development on ever aging hardware.

It also shows why Nvidia is not afraid of competitors coming out with new desgings that obsolete their hardware: what good are superior designs with no fabs to produce them?

darthoctopus•21m ago
every one of these things that make the deal "good" for OpenAI is a direct result of negative externalities for everyone else: competitors, consumers, and people who wouldn't care otherwise.
LarsDu88•21m ago
I wonder if this kills Valve's Steam Machine and Steam Frame
wingmanjd•7m ago
I've been selfishly wondering the same thing. The Frame is on my shortlist (as long as the price wasn't too crazy).
throwaway73864•20m ago
Go figure. It’s yet another thing Sam needed to molest.
badlibrarian•19m ago
I'm reminded of the 1983 deal to corner the market on Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice.
y1n0•14m ago
Sell! Sell! Get back in there and sell!
sgroppino•8m ago
I remember it didn’t work out well for Randolph and Mortimer. Sam may pull it out, though, if he just sells the DRAM now while the market is still hot.
ares623•18m ago
This will make AI even more palatable for the general population /s
john01dav•16m ago
Does this violate anti trust law?
JSR_FDED•16m ago
If OpenAI were actually using the RAM that’s one thing - but stockpiling raw wafers in warehouses is egregious.
mlsu•15m ago
Moves like this should be illegal.

It's becoming increasingly clear that OpenAI is going to get lapped by Google on technical merits. So this is the "code red" solution? Supply shenanigans?

They are getting beat in the developer market by Anthropic. And getting beat on fundamental tech by Google. This is a company whose ostensible mission is to "benefit all of humanity" ...

imbusy111•14m ago
Seems like it is, but the question is whether the current Justice Department will do anything about it.
semiquaver•10m ago
> Seems like it is

Do you have a citation for what law is being violated? Or just vibes?

ajross•7m ago
Market manipulation is a crime under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934. You can't buy things to influence the price or the market, only to use or resell.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation

dmix•6m ago
That'd probably make more sense if there wasn't also 50 other tech companies buying up RAM for the same reason (huge demand).
pshirshov•14m ago
I have a 32 GiB DDR5 set, happy to exchange for $500K in cash or a nice little house in Spain.
embedding-shape•11m ago
I have a nice little house in Spain, I'm willing to trade it for 128GB of RDIMM DDR5.
embedding-shape•11m ago
> Budget brands normally buy older DRAM fabrication equipment from mega-producers like Samsung when Samsung upgrades their DRAM lines to the latest and greatest equipment. This allows the DRAM market to expand more than it would otherwise because it makes any upgrading of the fanciest production lines to still be additive change to the market. However, Korean memory firms have been terrified that reselling old equipment to China-adjacent OEMs might trigger U.S. retaliation…and so those machines have been sitting idle in warehouses since early spring.

This seems to almost be mentioned off-hand, but isn't this a really bad and un-free market? Korean companies are afraid of doing business with Chinese companies because of the US, because of retaliation? This was not the "free and global market" I thought we were supposed to have at this point.

throw7•11m ago
"...their deals are unprecedentedly only for raw wafers — uncut, unfinished, and not even allocated to a specific DRAM standard..."

wtf. life sucks.

arjie•10m ago
There's nothing dirty about this deal. When making a large deal with one vendor he didn't disclose to them that he was making a deal with another vendor. That's pretty normal when you're trying to buy a lot of stuff. Otherwise, they can collude to shake you down.

I'm not thrilled about this genre of "guy I don't like does totally normal thing so it's bad". It's too engagement baity.

mxfh•10m ago
Secondary RAM Manufacturing Had Stalled. Budget brands normally buy older DRAM fabrication equipment from mega-producers like Samsung when Samsung upgrades their DRAM lines to the latest and greatest equipment. This allows the DRAM market to expand more than it would otherwise because it makes any upgrading of the fanciest production lines to still be additive change to the market. However, Korean memory firms have been terrified that reselling old equipment to China-adjacent OEMs might trigger U.S. retaliation…and so those machines have been sitting idle in warehouses since early spring.

My takeaway, this sounds like an comparably easy fix for the consumer market, if prices are somewhat guarenteed to stay mid term significantly above this years spring floor for someone to sweep up the margins and negotiate a somewhat reliable way to get the last gen production lines up and running again. Will take at least half a year to pick up, but this is not a longterm RAM doomsday scenario in any sense.

I'm more worried about the low to mid-end embedded systems, that a have a dollar budget for memory components, that could get unbearably slow for the current/next gen if manufactures just use the bare minimum of RAM the bloated TV or tablet OS can run on, if the 1GB raspberry move is any indication of that. And consumers stuck with no way to upgrade them to a reasonably usable state.

OldGreenYodaGPT•7m ago
More anti sam anti AI propaganda, nothing dirty about this deal

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