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Microsoft is quietly walking back its diversity efforts

https://www.theverge.com/tech/838079/microsoft-diversity-and-inclusion-changes-notepad
42•mohi-kalantari•1h ago

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RankingMember•57m ago
https://archive.vn/DNBQa
afavour•55m ago
No matter how you might view the topic I hope we can all agree that this is vacuous nonsense:

> “We are not doing a traditional report this year as we’ve evolved beyond that to formats that are more dynamic and accessible — stories, videos, and insights that show inclusion in action,”

Oh, you wanted hard numbers? What about a TikTok video instead?

Just be honest about this stuff. It’s insulting to the intelligences of all involved to pretend that you just coincidentally happen to be making these shifts.

jhickok•50m ago
Agreed-- I despise being continuously antagonized by corporate-speak.
amatecha•34m ago
The corporate slant on forcing staff back into the office is approached the same way. No numbers/data, all "vibes" -> "we want to bring the sense of connection and collaboration" blah blah .. vacuous indeed, totally omitting any shred of concrete substantiation.
RankingMember•54m ago
I'm continually blown away that the modern titans of industry readily bow down to a glorified reality show egomaniac. Allying to price-fix is one thing, but surely they can ally to resist culture war nonsense from making its way into their employee handbooks?
alt227•49m ago
> a glorified reality show egomaniac

He is also.... the president of the United States?

westmeal•48m ago
So what?
rtkwe•39m ago
There's a hell of a lot of power vested in the executive branch especially in the DOJ to really mess with companies and the real protection against it's misuse was the agreement that the President didn't directly instruct and control who the DOJ actually indicted. It used to be a notable event when a president even appeared to hint that he was encouraging investigations (not even indictments) into specific companies now we've got a president explicitly demanding the DOJ indict specific people and find any reason to do so, see Comey and Letitia James's recent indictments.
shadowgovt•37m ago
And, of course, since businesses are fundamentally in competition, that puts them in an interesting position: even if it's a net negative for the entire industry to capitulate to the bullying tactics of the executive branch, you can get a leg up on your competition by having one fewer giant complicated court case to worry about (even if the case is guaranteed to lose, it still costs money to defend it).
rtkwe•5m ago
Yes, there's a lot of pressure to stay on his good side, even if the charges are bogus and eventually beaten or just ends in a pay-off like many cases the process is still damaging/costly and there's large incentives to pre-comply. Look at Apple's little gift plaque for an example of that, not really a bribe unless more laws are broken but a nice little ego stroke none the less.
neogodless•42m ago
I'm continually blown away that the modern titans of industry readily bow down to the president of the United States.

While I don't think "corporations should be in charge", I also don't think a President should be dictating corporate culture or policy short of going through the proper channels of using Congress to write legislation that keeps corporations in check and doesn't allow their power and influence to grow too large.

But... uh... yeah that isn't happening either. Instead, those in power are helping each other out, at the expense of common citizens of the U.S. (and likely at the expense of people outside the U.S. too.)

terminalshort•37m ago
But the president absolutely can enforce civil rights laws which clearly ban racial discrimination in hiring and promotions.
alt227•32m ago
> I'm continually blown away that the modern titans of industry readily bow down to the president of the United States.

If you dont, you could suddenly find that the thing you sell has a ridiculous tariff imposed on it. Then that might mean you sell a lot less. He has done much more for much less in the past.

bitmasher9•49m ago
Everything is negotiable. Why would you resist joining the culture war, if your participation can be profitable.
p0w3n3d•46m ago
If you are obliged by the investors too
shadowgovt•43m ago
Not really. This is one of the things Google got right; organize your company so founders have a controlling interest and it doesn't matter fundamentally what the investors think, they can't steer the company.

At best, they are trading baseball cards with your corporate logo on them.

pfdietz•35m ago
> At best, they are trading baseball cards with your corporate logo on them.

Those baseball cards also come with some rights. The people running the company have a fiduciary responsibility to them. They cannot, for example, use the company as a piggybank.

shortrounddev2•44m ago
Nobody in the tech industry cares about DEI (most people I've met are downright hostile to the idea). All those companies in 2020 who hired DEI consultants and made big announcements about DEI and changed master to main were just buying cheap good will
shadowgovt•42m ago
I caution against extrapolating to the entire tech industry from an individual sample of experience.
TheTaytay•41m ago
You could argue that they were pandering to certain powers then and are pandering now.
blackguardx•38m ago
Who was president when Microsoft introduced D&I (Diversity and Inclusion) initiatives in 2019? AFAIK, they never called it DEI internally.
this_user•43m ago
The only reason implemented these measures in the first place was because of pressure from the other side of the political spectrum. It's hardly surprising that pressure from the opposite direction will make them walk it back.
coldtea•36m ago
Especially since when implementing them gets them less capable stuff, hired to satisfy token quotas regardless of actual merit
ndsipa_pomu•21m ago
I think you've got it back to front.

DEI is to prevent the kind of favouritism/nepotism that prevails in a lot of society (e.g. "the old boys club"). A suitable example would be the recent hires by the U.S. administration - people are being given high ranking jobs just because they're loyal/friendly to a certain person and nothing at all to do with their competency to do the particular job.

The purpose of DEI is to allow the most qualified person to get the job despite the overt racism and sexism in society.

coldtea•16m ago
Whatever DEI was supposed to accomplish in theory, in practice it was token hiring to make the PR (yes, not even the HR) department happy. And it very fast developed is own "old boys club" hiring one another and spreading through companies.

Humans gonna human.

cogman10•33m ago
IMO, it's something more cynical. It's not bowing to pressure or whatever. Rather, the guys running marketing have realized a trick to getting attention is making some innocuous political statement that ultimately causes social media to freak out. For example, having a trans person advertise their beer.

These giants know that people are lazy, they aren't likely doing the effort to see all the product holding. And that people will forget the outrage when the next thing comes up. It also helps that a lot of the dumb reactions have been things like people buying their product only to angerly shoot it with a gun or run it over with a truck.

When time passes, so does the outrage. And what they've actually bought is a bit of unearned goodwill and forgotten badwill.

sdsd•42m ago
>surely they can ally to resist culture war nonsense from making its way into their employee handbooks?

I think that's the point, using "pressure from the administration" as an excuse to nix culture war entanglements they got themselves into over the previous ~10 years. I think the "modern titans of industry" have wanted to dip out of this stuff for some time and felt stuck. Now they can do so while having plausible deniability (it was da govamint made us do it!)

cmcaleer•42m ago
MS (or any large company for that matter) didn’t participate in BLM discussions and get speakers to describe themselves and list their pronouns because they thought it was virtuous or right, they were just following the cultural zeitgeist in a way that they thought would make them more money.

Walking it back is just the same behaviour manifesting in a different way. Investors don’t value DEI in the same way they did before so it becomes an expense with no value to shareholders, so it gets cut.

It’s very cynical but nothing about this should be particularly shocking.

ericmay•36m ago
Also, increasing efforts to support DEI and also decreasing those efforts can both be good things.

You can fail to recognize a problem, and you can also overreact to it.

biofox•29m ago
There has certainly been an overreaction, and it continues to be the case even after efforts have been walked back.

I have yet to hear a good justification for why people who are not interested in programming should be encouraged to become interested purely in the name of equality, yet my institution is still spending huge amounts of public money on trying to achieve exactly that.

mc32•40m ago
Whatever they do, companies should not be doing quotas other than bringing in the people who will propel the mission.

Instead, they should put their effort on pipeline. From kindergarten, drive kids to want to participate in a dynamic economy instead of pursuing selling themselves short and perhaps getting involved in the underground economy, dead-end jobs, etc. Go give it a go in all areas of the nation that are under-served. That is the way to do it. If you do it any time later, like at hiring time, then you risk hiring on things other than merit.

Arodex•36m ago
Oh, yeah, let companies be in charge of education from the kindergarten.

You read cyberpunk novels and thought "yeah, I would love my country to be governed by megacorps from cradle to grave".

mc32•28m ago
So instead rely on public education which fails many students in delivering a quality education, or, having given up, just pass them to let them figure life out once they graduate.

It's not necessary that corps own the education, but they they have schools within a school to deliver the education that they are expecting from new graduates.

Arodex•9m ago
Public education is what made those great companies you fawn about.

Public education is also something you are responsible for as a citizen. If it is shit, it is so because you let it be. Assume your responsibilities instead of hoping for "enlightened" corporate lords to do it for you, peasant.

gedy•29m ago
> Instead, they should put their effort on pipeline.

Previous company "did that", but what it amounted to was young HR women filtering all candidates before engineering saw them or their resumes, and you had to pick from their not-so-great candidates they got based on gender or race. Also interviewers could not see what other interviewers said - so we got bypassed as well behind the scenes

terminalshort•38m ago
That racist DEI filth is the culture war bullshit.
nailer•22m ago
I’m not sure why is being modden down. I was pressured to hire candidates based on their race and I’m sure the experience was not unique.
Arodex•17m ago
Yeah, because you know best. You never made any hiring mistake and you never have any bias whatsoever when you hire people. Who dared double-guess you, after you put all the effort of spending a few hours with each candidate?
Arodex•22m ago
Yeah, we all now that white dudes know everything there is to know, and we all know here HR only recruits the best and rhe brightest (who happen to be exactly white dudes, who would have thought?).
gedy•33m ago
And I'm continually blown away that the modern titans of industry readily bow down to glorified twitter rants and non-technical HR busybodies who pushed DEI internally?
whynotminot•47m ago
While there’s a lot of this era that’s deeply unfortunate, this kind of question on my yearly review would be incredibly vexing to me:

> What impact did your actions have in contributing to a more diverse and inclusive Microsoft?

What does this even mean? How do I show I did this? If I don’t interpret the meaning of this question correctly, do I fail the test and end up some HR watchlist? If I don’t succeed at whatever this is going for, will I not promote?

alt227•42m ago
I feel like the general answer is going to be 'None', and that Microsft is not really going to care about that very much.
netruk44•36m ago
I used to work at Microsoft and I can tell you this was absolutely not true during my time there.

As an engineer, you needed to have an answer to that question or else you could not be promoted (at least in some parts of the org chart).

It was a box that your skip levels needed to see checked in order to approve promotions. My lead told me as much in exactly those words.

alt227•14m ago
What about now during the current administration and after DEI has just been killed?
metajack•26m ago
When I was at LinkedIn we definitely cared about this. It probably wouldn't be enough to knock you down a peg during your review if you had none during a particular half/quarter, but if you never did anything in this bucket it would be a red flag during promotion consideration.

We wanted leader to be empathetic and respectful.

heeton•41m ago
If you remove a reaction to politics and/or management practice, this is quite an obvious question, no?

Hypothetically: Substitute Microsoft for a company with “zero downtime” as one of their company values.

Now imagine you were asked “What impact did your actions have in contributing to zero downtime at Hostingsoft?”

That wouldn’t be a controversial question.

MrBuddyCasino•41m ago
Imagine the person asking this question to be a soviet commissar, and you get an accurate mental model to work with.
voidfunc•34m ago
Bingo. I used to just write down some words that would appease anybody that looked at it for more than a second...
metajack•28m ago
This isn't that hard. There are various employee groups around identities (Women in Tech, Asian Pacific, Black, LGBTQ, etc). Membership is not exclusive to those groups but also open to allies. As an example, I used to participate in the Women in Tech one at both Mozilla and at LinkedIn. Often I just listened, but I also helped organize a few events with them, contributed ideas for those events, and when they started a structured mentoring program I was one of the mentors.

There are also optional and non-optional hiring trainings that address these kinds of topics which you can do. I was a hiring manager for a while so I also spent some time doing some of these optional things to improve my chances of building a diverse team. This mostly included helping with sourcing candidates and a few times meant speaking up when I could see that identity biases were being used in evaluations.

But often just simple things are all you need. For example, when picking a group dinner destination making sure various culinary requirements are accounted for (either cultural or dietary) or finding team building activities that are inclusive.

I never once had an issue finding some of this to put on these perf reviews. Most of this is just under the category of being a good human who respects and values others.

ChromaticPanic•1m ago
It's a very basic question. You can meet that by simply treating everyone with integrity and respect. This results in an inclusive workplace. It's not a trick question.
delichon•44m ago
Due to current admin policies, failing to do this would limit Microsoft's ability to drink from the federal trough. Whatever value they put in diversity is less than they put in large contracts.
shadowgovt•39m ago
And it is interesting to see how different organizations are reacting to this administration depending upon what percentage of their bottom line is directly tied to government or military contracting.

Python Software Foundation telling the NSF they had too many strings attached to their money is another interesting spotlight on the current situation.

hypeatei•39m ago
At the risk of sounding like an LLM, you're absolutely right!

It would be stupid not to kowtow to the current admin given how much business Microsoft does with the US government. The pendulum will swing back, guarantee it.

Hasz•40m ago
DEI used to make them money, and now it loses them money. It is not surprising they would jettison it.
coldtea•37m ago
Let's call it "token representation not based on merit" and it doesn't sound that back walking them back
coredog64•35m ago
Aside from the alleged "culture war" aspect, looking at the 2024 report you can see that the category "Asian" is at 36%. Roughly 5% of the US population can tick the "Asian" box on the census. There are a lot of people on both sides of the US political aisle asking why this is the case. Making it harder to tease that data out might limit blowback from low-effort attempts to smear the company.
ausbah•34m ago
yeah they dropped their “what actions did you take to further diversify and inclusion” question in biannual reviews last month

no one really liked those sorts of questions, always had to game it or make BS up. but on a personal level definitely furthers my desire to mot want to come out at work as a trans person

t1234s•34m ago
The only thing large corporations like M$ care about is their share price (and they should). ESG/DEI was just a fad
terminalshort•33m ago
DEI is a blatant violation of title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and any company that engages in it or any form of racial discrimination by any other sickening PR sanitized name like "affirmative action" should be aggressively prosecuted.

> It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employer -

> (1) to fail or refuse to hire or to discharge any individual, or otherwise to discriminate against any individual with respect to his compensation, terms, conditions, or privileges of employment, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin; or

> (2) to limit, segregate, or classify his employees or applicants for employment in any way which would deprive or tend to deprive any individual of employment opportunities or otherwise adversely affect his status as an employee, because of such individual's race, color, religion, sex, or national origin.

ndsipa_pomu•16m ago
This makes no sense to me. Surely DEI reinforces those 2 clauses?

Without DEI, it's just white men that will be hired and generally, it'll be friends of friends with no regard to their competency. DEI is an attempt to level the playing field as otherwise, racist/sexist employers will continue to be racist and sexist.

stevenfoster•32m ago
Panem et Circenses.
ChrisArchitect•31m ago
Game File post: https://www.gamefile.news/p/microsoft-skips-diversity-inclus...
Rebuff5007•31m ago
Hot take: i'm not sure this is actually bad for actual diversity and inclusion. From my experience (not at msft), companies continue to have many internal goals related to equal pay, gender balance, etc.

Whats changing is how this is communicated externally, and I can see why this would have to change based on the political climate.

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