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Journalism students expose Russian-linked vessels off the Dutch and German coast

https://www.digitaldigging.org/p/they-droned-back
25•harshreality•1h ago

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RamblingCTO•1h ago
This just shows how amateurish the German state apparatus is when it comes to things like this. Maybe they're playing a game one level deeper and show them only what they want the Russians to see or see it as inevitable, I don't know. But I don't have high trust in our defense.
flohofwoe•39m ago
From the article:

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European intelligence services assess the three documented ships as operating “with high confidence“ on behalf of Russian interests. Their movement profiles are “very conspicuous” and show “little evidence of commercial activity.”

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...of course they know, but for whatever reason they didn't find a smoking gun so far (e.g. drones on the ships or drones taking off/landing) - or maybe they did but keep it to themselves.

> Official inspections were “symbolic”—not all containers opened

...this might to be the core of the problem.

kleiba•48m ago
I don't know to what degree this is known to people outside Europe, but has been on the news over here for the last few months:

> drones aren’t just buzzing airports. They’re systematically surveilling military installations—often during sensitive operations

Now, if you live in the US or anywhere else outside Europe - please pause for a moment and see how it makes you feel to imagine having Russian drones hover over your military installations regularly, or other important places of your public infrastructure.

TheChaplain•37m ago
There are plenty of people even inside Europe who downplay these events.
krapp•36m ago
>Now, if you live in the US or anywhere else outside Europe - please pause for a moment and see how it makes you feel to imagine having Russian drones hover over your military installations regularly, or other important places of your public infrastructure.

Something like that has happened in the US recently but Americans believed they were alien spacecraft as they tend to do and the whole thing got swallowed up in memes and Reddit threads.

Also apparently the US is ride or die with Putin now so Russia can't have done anything of the sort. Must have been aliens.

dragonelite•36m ago
Of course the Russians will do this we helped Ukrainians attack the Russian nuclear fleet with drones they are most definitely organising some payback actions.

Be glad stuff isn't exploding yet, we are at war with Russia. Did people expect no damage would happen inside Europe?

derelicta•35m ago
I would fear Russian drones a lot less than American or French ones.
Nextgrid•31m ago
Are any of those drones being shot down? Is anything being done about it besides (AI-assisted) fear-mongering? That is the real question. If the drones are a problem, shoot them and thank Russia for the free target-practice exercise.

It seems like the danger even bigger than Russia is government incompetence and the system of broken incentives where everyone does everything to appear busy but actually solving the problem.

If there's a drone there, and you don't want it there, the solution is obvious. It's obvious enough to any nutcase in the US with access to a shotgun. If nobody's taking out the proverbial shotgun then I have to assume the drones are not an actual problem and merely yet another excuse for busywork.

flohofwoe•15m ago
How would you 'shoot them down' over densely populated areas without endangering civilians, genius?

In reality it's a bit more complicated, e.g. https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-a...

Also it's not like the US did any better when their airports and military bases had those massive drone sightings a little while back, except in that case it wasn't the Russians but "aliens" (lol).

jonathanstrange•14m ago
The Dutch military fired on drones. However, they are all over Europe and generally not shot down for various reasons. First, shooting at them can be very dangerous. Debris and whatever is used to shoot at them (usually bullets) can hit civilians. Second, the laws tend to not allow military and police to shoot at drones that don't pose an immediate threat to life. A new police law has been passed in Germany to fix this issue, but it was only passed very recently. I suspect other countries have similar legal issues that first need to be fixed.
mytailorisrich•8m ago
Exactly. Whether those drones are Russian or not the expected course of action is to intercept them, their operators, and launch vehicles. I would say even more so if they are Russian as weakness only encourage more hostile action.

More broadly, the "Russian scare" in Europe is very murky. I have little doubt that it is vastly overblown for domestic purposes. I.e. it serves the EU agenda of further political integration and involvement in military matters (in which it is normally nor or barely).

sonorous_sub•31m ago
Thank you for your service.
shermozle•40m ago
These young journos are legends.
nephihaha•19m ago
A lot of these drone scares remind me of UFO flaps. There was one over London Gatwick not long ago and no one ever managed to photograph the thing as far as I can remember.

I'm sure NATO has drone swarms all over Russian bases right now, but that's the bit they miss. Part of a long tradition of trying out each other's defences.

ktallett•9m ago
I don't read every news source internationally however I always wonder just how often UK, German, US linked vessels, drones, etc are found within close proximity of Russia/China/Iran and how often they get reported.

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