minor refreshes = removing critical controls like turn signal and drive select stalks.
Who would want to go from several dedicated tactile controls in model s/x to no stalks and few controls?
The level of disaster of that rollout, combined with D.O.G.E. and "Mechahitler" Grok, has forever tarnished the Tesla brand. I suspect there is a sizable group of people who will never buy a product by that brand ever again (or at least as long as Musk is at the helm).
Completely different.
But when I watched it in context, it looked like a man putting a hand on his heart and then proffering his thanks to the audience.
My belief is that it was most likely not a nazi salute and is not relevant evidence in the important task of assessing Musk's political stances.
>"I'm sorry for that tweet or post," Musk said Wednesday. "It was foolish of me."
He has famously thumbs-ed up significant chunks of such content and in the event mentioned here replied to an explicit statement (as outlined about) as being "the actual truth".
See, eg: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67446800
He is an unquestionable fan of Nazi like content, many will shrug it off as his grandfather was an actual Nazi fan (having to move from Canada(?) to South Africa because of such beliefs), and his uncle (IIRC, certainly a close family relative) was a senior member of the South African apartheid government.
Your belief is incorrect
Terrible branding for Tesla of him to singlehandedly permanently alienate the majority of his customer base.
The board and shareholders had their chance to dump Musk a few weeks ago; they could have just turned down his ridiculous pay package and he would have left. They didn't so he'll be dragging them down for at least another decade.
Tesla’s board decided after the war was lost to not only let the nazi sympathizer continue running the company, but to give him an egregiously disproportionate compensation package. The guy who single handedly pushed the biggest failure in the history of the company (cybertruck) is apparently the only one who can save the company.
I expect at some point they’ll be acquired for pennies on the dollar by a Chinese company or if Trump gets his way he’ll insist on a government takeover.
Every time I see a CyberTruck out in the wild, I am still just stunned by the crappy design — like a dumpster designed for anti-performance — the wheel positioning and size is all wrong, and the metalwork always looks cheap because the 'flat' surfaces are always wavy or rippled, and the seams don't match up properly.
I am definitely one of those people who used to look forward to buying a Tesla next time I change vehicles, but will never consider it now (and I'm big on electric vehicles).
So, I've not seen one in the wild (I'm in Europe they're not road legal here), so the only things I see are either distance shots or close-ups; the distance shots are mostly beauty shots, the close-ups are mostly showing one of the many production problems the design has.
From a distance, the design looks cool to me… as a child of the 80s who grew up with low-poly graphics.
But "looks cool" doesn't mean "I approve"; given the sharp edges, the traditional American car design with worse visibility for children crossing too close in front of you than an Abrams tank, even just given the physical size, I'm glad the EU already had rules preventing it from being road legal here.
And that's even if they fix all the issues that led to the unglamorous close-ups.
Would I stand by and allow my shares and future profits flounder while the head guy goes rogue? No blankin' way.
Regardless of personal preference for politics, no serious organization should ever want to come within one light year of DC politics. It can only use, besmirch, tarnish, degrade the organization's credibility and from there hit into money. Trump makes it exponentially worse.
They could have spent all the effort building EV delivery trucks with built in self driving which would help them collect even more data for FSD to tell them rollout robotaxis.
* I think it will, eventually, but "eventually" can be a long time, and the point is that this no longer even matters because of how cheap LiDAR is now.
You'd expect to see it hauling ladders or tools or towing horse boxes and so on, but nope. It makes me curious why. Is the truck overpriced for anyone who needs a truck to work? That seems unlikely, trucks are already north of 70,000 bucks. Are there no accessories like towing hitches? Seems unlikely. Is it just not a usefully sized bed? That would be a bizarre miss for a truck designer. I just dont understand it.
As a truck, is the CT any good, or no?
US truck customers are getting smarter. The fleet trucks, for HVAC, plumbers, and appliance installation and repair, I see in my area are almost all vans now. Butch pickup trucks still have the gender affirming care market.
While they've hurt their image in the US, for now, that might change over time. 5 or 10 years from now, possibly aided by more success from SpaceX, Tesla's or Musk's image could recover.
mikestew•1mo ago
”The end of credits hit many EV rivals harder. Overall U.S. EV sales fell more than 41% in November and Tesla's market share rose to 56.7% from 43.1%, the data showed.”
So EV sales are down, less so for Tesla than other makers, but someone needed a catchy headline? I mean, I have absolutely no love for Tesla, but am I wrong in thinking that this is a little click-baity?
browningstreet•1mo ago
As it is they still can’t sell as many cars as they used to, which stands in contrast to Elon’s pay package.
Given that, the title seems accurate to me.
FireBeyond•1mo ago
Nothing about that makes sense.
> According to an Experian Automotive report on electric vehicles, out of the 292.3 million cars and trucks on the road in the U.S. in 2024, approximately 4,092,200 (1.4%) of those were electric cars.
So 43% would be 1.76M. Going to 57% would be 2.33M, i.e. nearly 600K sales. Except:
> Demand for Standard versions was expected to support sales in November, but the company's total sales fell nearly 23% to 39,800 vehicles from 51,513 a year earlier and were the lowest since January 2022, according to the data from Cox, which tracks sales across the industry.
Whatever "math" is happening in this article is fundamentally broken.
Unless they mean "the market sale of EVs in November", in which case 39,800 of 70,000 is Tesla, up from... 31,000?
So Tesla's monthly sales drops to a 4 year low, down 23%, but somehow 8,800 vehicles is enough to increase market share by 30%+? I have no idea what mashup of numbers is happening here.
breve•1mo ago
No. They're talking about sales and market share in November.
The short version is Tesla is selling fewer cars these days.
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Tesla used to claim it would sell 20 million vehicles per year:
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-...
Now Tesla's much revised goal is to have sold 20 million in total by 2035:
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/05/business/elon-musk-tesla-...
China and Europe are the two biggest EV markets. Those EV markets are growing but Tesla's sales have declined there too:
https://eu-evs.com/marketShare/ALL/Groups/Line/All-time-by-Q...
Tesla carries a large amount of needless, self-inflicted brand damage. Swasticars don't sell well.
Toyota, meanwhile, has been setting sales records this year:
https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/toyota...
Zigurd•1mo ago