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SoundCloud just banned VPN access

https://old.reddit.com/r/SoundCloudMusic/comments/1pltd19/soundcloud_just_banned_vpn_access/
45•empressplay•2h ago

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xfeeefeee•1h ago
Over five years of paid SoundCloud here, I thought something was wrong with my setup. If this continues I'll have to cancel, basically. What a pain.
majorchord•1h ago
You can't just blanket block all VPN access, that's not how the internet works... they could pick some common/well-known providers of VPN services and block their IPs/ASN/etc., but you can't just flip a switch and make all forms of VPN/proxy stop working, as there's no way to tell with certainty that someone is using one.
protocolture•1h ago
GEOIP providers often sell a database of known VPN/Proxy endpoints. They take the approach of shoot first, ask questions later. Using one of these databases bans a lot of legitimate ip addresses that have seen been the source of known VPN or proxy traffic.

Its not perfect ofc, but its not meant to be. Its usually just used as a safety blanket for geoblocked intellectual property, like netflix.

itake•1h ago
I connect to my residential ISP in the USA via VPN all the time and have never had issues with being blocked for VPN use.

Maybe they mean commercial VPN providers that run on the cloud?

oefrha•1h ago
You know perfectly well what blocking VPN access means in common verbiage. I don't understand the motivation of these "hey look my WireGuard connection to home isn't blocked, you guys don't know the true meaning of VPN" comments that inevitably pop up in these discussions. Like come on, this is a tech forum, you're not impressing anyone for knowing the technical definition of VPN and how to set up WireGuard.
fragmede•1h ago
Tailscale is really not that hard to set up. There's an Apple TV app for it, even. And who doesn't have some friend in another state or country that would like an Apple TV?
gruez•33m ago
Your friends don't find it uneasy that you can be tunneling illegal activities through their internet connection and have the FBI knocking at their door in a few months?
protocolture•55m ago
>I connect to my residential ISP in the USA via VPN all the time and have never had issues with being blocked for VPN use.

Bit of a non sequitur, you would have to outline your entire usage pattern to even submit that as N=1.

GEOIP providers dont sit on your home network. They do accept data from third parties, and are themselves (likely) subscribed to other IP addressing lists. Mostly they are a data aggregator, and its garbage in > garbage out.

If someone, say netflix, but other services participate, flag you as having an inconsistent location, they may forward those details on and you can get added to one of these lists. You might see ip bans at various content providers.

But the implementation is so slapshod that you can just as likely, poison a single ip in a CGNAT pool, and have it take over a month for anyone to act on it, where some other users on your same ISP might experience the issue.

These things can also be weighted by usage, larger amounts of traffic are more interesting because it can represent a pool of more users, or more IP infringement per user.

You can also get hit from poor IP reputation, hosting a webserver with a proxy or php reverse shell, or a hundred other things.

(Also, larger ISPs might deal with a GEOIP provider selling lists of VPN users that include their IP address space, legally, rather than just going through the process of getting the list updated normally. This means the GEOIP providers can get skittish around some ISPs and might just not include them in lists)

mycall•51m ago
> You can also get hit from poor IP reputation, hosting a webserver with a proxy or php reverse shell, or a hundred other things.

or in my case, have a VM on same subnet as other poor actors and thus get bad rep from others.

polski-g•7m ago
MTU detection is the easiest one. Sucks for people with ISPs that don't do 1500 bytes but those are rare.
999900000999•1h ago
They blocked *some* vpns. I was able to get it working just by switching location with my vpn provider.
mig39•1h ago
Doesn't reddit block VPNs as well?
hdra•30m ago
i tunnel my internet through linode with wireguard - reddit blocks me if i'm not signed in.

with soundcloud, i just got a generic 403 from cloudfront

combine that with country-level internet filter, the internet is getting harder and harder to use :(

extraduder_ire•10m ago
Works for me most of the time. A couple of months ago, there was a period where a subset of the exit IPs were blocked for a short period each.
elashri•1h ago
The irony is that I tried to access the link here but reddit blocks VPN access aggressively.
gruez•37m ago
Across 3 VPN providers I use, none of them have issues accessing reddit anonymously. There are nodes/regions that are blocked, but finding a working server isn't hard.
prosody•1h ago
What's the motivation for blocking VPN read access for this and other services? Are AI scrapers using commercial VPNs to get around rate limiting?
danpalmer•1h ago
Legislation. If a country requires age verification, identity verification, moderation, etc, it's easy enough to either block that traffic or enforce the local laws. However users can easily circumvent this with a VPN. For some countries, this traffic is still in scope, and so the only real way to prevent it is to block or impose the restrictions on all VPN users.

Could also be spam/abuse prevention. Credential stuffing often goes through VPNs, signup over VPN is a strong signal for future abuse or issues in various ways.

SchemaLoad•42m ago
AI scrappers made it so much worse. Now most things completely block VPN users who aren't logged in. Reddit and Youtube will refuse to load anything until you log in if you are on a VPN.
Rastonbury•36m ago
I suspect country level licensing, soundcloud I sometimes seen songs "not available in your country" or something along those lines
thenthenthen•52m ago
Strange, it works here (Taipei based vpn)
october8140•50m ago
I think it's the thought that counts. Presumably they will get better at blocking all VPNs.
syntaxing•36m ago
Even Russia and Iran has issues blocking VPN country wide…curious what SoundCloud is going to be able to do. I’m guessing it’s to block AI scrapers but ironically, they have way more resources than your customers. SoundCloud will end up pissing off their paying customers and AI bots will still be able to scrape.
t0lo•24m ago
Financial times does as well for me on certain browsers but not others. Pretty annoying.
lightyrs•9m ago
Last night I was blocked from HBOMAX (or whatever brand they go by these days) for being on a VPN. That was the first time I've ever encountered something like that on HBOMAX. I wonder if there is some coordinating event here.

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