and it's the first step back, which I love (and miss),
BUT
there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left!
All UK reasons have been blamed as stupid (which is understandable due to mouth like N. Fartage), while many are not, so need to be discussed, faced, dig! and please don't talk again about immigration: this is already discussed even too much: stop talking about this could be the very first step to do what I mean. EU in Brussel: you do not want to do it? and you'll be kicked in the butt: face reality, face real problems we have withing EU which UK listed clearly: maybe they will really be marked as irrelevant but we need to talk about it.
My very personal opinion is bureaucracy, fat bureaucracy, damned bureaucracy, expensive bureaucracy: believing you can have a better world by regulations IS stupid, and so on... the whole idea of an elite who is elite 'cause is using it's brain, while out there other need to be forced 'cause they are no (so should just obey and not use their brain) is stupid.
E.g. In the UK there is no ID card, you can live your whole life with no ID of any sort: yes, you need an ID (the passport) to go outside indeed: your address is stated by your electricity bill, or bank account address, and that is more that enough ... and it works! This while in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket... and, beside this, this ID even expire (!)
Ask AI for: "countries in EU where you can be arrested if you do not have the national ID with you"
Did the 'sacrifice' of many UK citizen who left meant something? did EU learn something from it different than: 'you'll see what you've lost, you'r gonna cry!'
grrrr
> E.g. In the UK there is no ID card, you can live your whole life with no ID of any sort: yes, you need an ID (the passport) to go outside indeed: your address is stated by your electricity bill, or bank account address, and that is more that enough ... and it works! This while in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket... and, beside this, this ID even expire (!)
These sound like aesthetic arguments, and you can make those decisions as a nation whether you're in the EU or not.
> there has been 0, zero, niente, nada, rien proper discussion in the EU on WHY UK left!
There has been no discussion because the reason for UK leaving was stupid.
It was based on an election manifesto pledge by the Conservative Party. A party propped up by a declining population of boomers who think life was better in the 50s.
The whole Brexit campaign was dominated by loud voices from the lunatics in the right-hand corner of the Conservative Party, and propped up by Mr Farage.
It means that idiots like farmers and fishermen voted for Brexit even though it would kill their export markets overnight, and remove their ability for skilled Eastern European seasonal workers to come pick their fruit.
> In the UK there is no ID card,
The whole "there is no papers please" in the UK is a total load of bullshit often mentioned by the pro-Brexit brigade.
For example, you say "your address is stated by bank account address". When was the last time you tried to open a bank account in the UK WITHOUT photographic ID ? In theory you can, but in practice its almost certainly going to be more interesting to hit your head against a brick wall.
You also say " in other EU countries (much less civilized I would add), police can force you to a police station if you do not have the national ID in your pocket"....
Well, actually in the UK the police can ask for your name and address. And if they think you are not giving them the correct name and address (or you refuse to identify yourself), they can arrest you until such time as you can prove your ID.
It is the same if the police stop you for a driving offence. You are required to produce (a) Driving license (b) Insurance (c) MOT. Insurance and MOT can be verified electronically these days. But if you cannot produce your driving license at the scene then you will be required to present at a police station within seven days.
Lol. Informed citizens with a broadened horizon would only pose a challenge to a small-party sized class of people. Conservatives love to create smokescreens and false narratives, but factually the meaning Conservative stems from the wish to conserve the power of the 0.0001%. That's why they never can come up with anything like a real agenda for you know, the res publica. Instead they have to resort to bullshit and falsehoods in order to trick people to vote on all kinds of interesting vibes and hurt feelings, but that have nothing to do with the damn fucking job of governing.
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