It’s impossible to keep my 5800x below 90C under full load.
In general, buying a power-limited desktop CPU has never been a good strategy to get better efficiency. You can always configure the full-power chip to only use that extra headroom for short bursts, and to throttle down to what you consider acceptable for sustained workloads.
The 7000 series is designed to hit those loads, i wonder how your 5000 series can even reach that.
in the past, growth in PC gaming came naturally with the growth in the adoption of computers around the world.
at saturation of "new to computers" audiences, growth in PC gaming comes from convincing the core gaming demographic, newly-turned 13 year old boys, to agitate for PCs instead of XYZ.
so a big part of it is the retail-marketing experience - the aesthetics of buying - and scalping / sense of urgency plays extremely well with the buyer who actually chooses PC over a nintendo switch, as opposed to a kid who will never make the more expensive choice ever.
this is really a story about saturation than it is about hardware or shortages for AI usage or whatever.
Consoles don’t pay for online subscriptions with f2p games anymore, which is the overwhelming lions share of online play today.
Consoles also get to flip games you’re done with. I’m positive about 3 of my friends spend much less than I do on gaming these days because of all the games they buy, play once, then flip again on FB market place
And then you get to the rising entry level cost of PC gaming. If you want something better than a Steam deck you’re looking at 1K USD to start with an Intel dGPU
But I guess if you’re fine with a Steam deck it’s a bit cheaper than consoles to start
The best claim that PC gaming has today is that it has a much larger library with indies that don’t release on console
You are right about f2p though but you also don't need an insane PC to play most of the popular ones. Even a mini pc does that these days pretty decently and Integrated Graphics will keep on improving.
https://tpucdn.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/images/power-g...
from https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/24.ht...
https://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc/comments/ilz8v6/which_am4_...
Chipset PCIe Version Supported
X570 PCIe 4.0 (both GPU/NVMe)
B550 PCIe 4.0 (GPU/NVMe; other lanes are PCIe 3.0)
A520 PCIe 3.0
X470 PCIe 3.0
B450 PCIe 3.0
X370 PCIe 3.0
B350 PCIe 3.0
A320 PCIe 3.0https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCI_Express
AMD didn't even support PCIe 4.0 until 2019 with Zen 2, Intel in 2020 with tiger lake.
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-rtx-5060-t...
I'll let others judge for themselves, personally I'd be tempted to get an x16 GPU since the 5800X3D is actually very near top of the line and the GPU should match the CPU imho but in general even the worst case of x8 GPU on a PCIE 3.0 motherboard doesn't seem to be the end of the world
But seriously, claiming "dog slow" is certainly an overstatement. You lose some of the top performance, not below - and it's still ~4/16GB/s
This is absurd. "Average quoted" on ebay does not mean anything, neither dors their claim of "highest selling" which is "highest listed". Nobody is buying at these prices.
People buy the lowest priced (incl. Shipping) with modifiers for professional>private, seller review rating, location and picture/description quality.
$ cat /proc/cpuinfo
...
model name : AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 8-Core Processor
$ free -m
...
total used free shared buff/cache available
Mem: 32006 6878 1088 363 24856 25127DDR5 has gone up so much it just isn't worth it. 4-5x the price. Is this just "stress"?
And they flocked to crypto and whatever else before.
i.e. this "consumer" economy is always last. It's never going to have better ROI.
Facts of life, as it is today. Won't change without active engagement but without change of direction, the end is hell itself.
The consumer economy is the reason for existence of everything else related to economics. Corps stressing the consumer economy is like the tail wagging and starving the dog. Amirite?
> everything is flocking and concentrating around AI related hardware due to better ROI
The "better ROI" is the results of crooked financial schemes that steal from the consumer economy and redistribute to corporate fancies.
The circular debt schemes being employed here are going to be bailed out by the consumers by inflation and starvation, outright bailouts of the CDS market are quite likely as well.
Normally an old, used CPU for a dead 10yo platform will go for a small fraction the MSRP. Not a multiple. Silicon economy seems in a good shape.
True in general- used CPUs from discontinued platforms sell for a small fraction of the original MSRP.
Buuuut, the final flagship part on nearly every platform is an exception to this rule. They are generally sought after as the definitive 'End Game Upgrade' because they provide users with the simplest, most cost-effective performance boost—a single component swap—bypassing the need for a costly migration to a successor platform (which requires new RAM and a new motherboard).
It tends to happen every generation swap, 5800X3D is just the latest.
Certainly there are situations where it is still among kings like MSFS, but definitely not a leader in most games.
I did not pull the trigger. I did thankfully get it up to 64gb for ~ $50.
I know it’s a bit naive to extrapolate from that, but something doesn’t smell right, the PC hardware market is clearly going through something, probably caused by the AI boom. I wonder what else is shifting that isn’t so apparent.
When beef is expensive, you buy chicken. There's no alternative to RAM. If you need it, you've gotta pony up.
throwaway613745•1mo ago
justinclift•1mo ago
Depending upon your workload and motherboard support of course.