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The Coffee Warehouse

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2•rbanffy•42m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Why we're taking legal action against SerpApi's unlawful scraping

https://blog.google/technology/safety-security/serpapi-lawsuit/
33•xnx•1h ago

Comments

Nextgrid•1h ago
> SerpApi deceptively takes content that Google licenses from others

They have a different definition of "licensing" than most people I guess. Aren't site operators complaining about Google using this "licensed" content in AI overviews... not to mention the scraping for AI model training.

The pot is calling the kettle black.

skybrian•1h ago
As far as I know, Google respects robots.txt and doesn't obfuscate their crawlers, so you can easily block them if you want. It seems like an important distinction?
immibis•1h ago
There's no law that says you have to do that. It used to be a sensible thing to do, in the early internet. In the current internet, obeying robots.txt is a self-handicap and you shouldn't do it.

DDoS remains illegal regardless of robots.txt.

Nextgrid•1h ago
Google can afford to respect robots.txt because it has a monopoly on search and nobody would consider actually blocking them in said robots.txt anyway.

SerpApi doesn't have that privilege.

bitpush•41m ago
but SerpApi is not scraping websites, it is sending malicoius requests to google.com.
Nextgrid•24m ago
SerpApi is scraping Google. The "maliciousness" if the requests is a matter of perspective. Of course Google considers it malicious; that doesn't necessarily make it true.
throw-12-16•46m ago
robots.txt is not a legally binding document, nobody needs to actually respect it
jppope•1h ago
I'm not sure of the legality but I definitely appreciate their product. This lawsuit seems odd because google themselves scrape content for their indexes. From what I see SerpApi is really just providing a machine interface that Google themselves refuses to provide users and visibility into SERPs which is also something that users should have available to them.

I'm probably just being naive though...

bluGill•1h ago
Google publishes how to control their bot - with robots.txt. They then obey those instructions. Google also takes some effort to not use all your bandwidth. Google isn't perfect, but they are at least making a "good faith" effort to be nice and this does count in court. Overall most will agree that in general what google does to allow people to find their website is worth the things that google is doing.

You can of course argue a lot of edge cases if you really want. For the most part I want to say "it isn't worth the argument". In some cases I will take your side if I really have to think about it, but in general the system google has been using mostly works and is mostly an acceptable compromise.

hackerbeat•1h ago
What's nice about scraping all the content for their own good while killing off websites left and right? Google needs to be sued also.

Along with all the other AI companies out there, the've committed the biggest theft in human history.

pawelduda•52m ago
But their robots are enabled by default. So it is a form of unsolicited scraping. If I spam millions of email addresses without asking for permission but provide a link to opt-out form, am I the good guy?
kacesensitive•1h ago
SerpApi wouldn't even be a thing if Google offered an equivalent API...
AuthError•1h ago
why does google need to offer it?
bitpush•1h ago
Why would Google offer an API? This is similar to saying when Apple sues an employee stealing IP "Nobody would steal the IP if they gave it away for free". The question is - why?
sovietmudkipz•1h ago
What’s the difference between scraping and malicious scraping? Does google engage in scraping or malicious scraping? Do the AI companies engage in scraping or malicious scraping?
throw-12-16•1h ago
The size of your legal team.
bakugo•1h ago
Malicious scraping is when people other than them do it. When they scrape the internet to train their AI, it's "lawful" because they said so.
jchw•1h ago
Note that I am not defending the merits of Google's lawsuit, but they did describe in this very post what they believe distinguishes their scraping versus SerpApi.

> Stealthy scrapers like SerpApi override those directives and give sites no choice at all. SerpApi uses shady back doors — like cloaking themselves, bombarding websites with massive networks of bots and giving their crawlers fake and constantly changing names — circumventing our security measures to take websites’ content wholesale. [...] SerpApi deceptively takes content that Google licenses from others (like images that appear in Knowledge Panels, real-time data in Search features and much more), and then resells it for a fee. In doing so, it willfully disregards the rights and directives of websites and providers whose content appears in Search.

To me this seems... interesting, for sure. I think that Google already set a bad precedent by pulling content from the web directly into its results, and an even worse one by paying websites with user-generated content for said content (while those sites didn't pay the users that actually made the user-generated content, as an additional bitchslap.)

But it seems like at the very least Google is suggesting that SerpApi is effectively trying to "steal" the work Google did, rather than do the same work themselves. Though I wonder if this is really Google pulling up the ladder behind them a bit, given how privileged of a position they are in with regards to web scraping.

It's a tough case. I think that something does need to ultimately be done about "malicious" web scraping that ignores robots.txt, but traditionally that sort of thing did not violate any laws, and I feel somewhat skeptical that it will be found to violate the law today. I mean, didn't LinkedIn try this same thing?

moralestapia•1h ago
>bombarding websites with massive networks of bots

Like GoogleBot?

And yeah, robots.txt is not enforced by any law.

I think this is just about dragging SerpApi through a lengthy legal procedure and fees.

jefftk•1h ago
Whether you obey robots.txt (Google does, SerpApi doesn't) seems like an important distinction.
xnx•1h ago
Permission
GuinansEyebrows•1h ago
yoink

* that's the sound of a ladder being yanked up

throw-12-16•1h ago
Google can eat a bag of dicks.

Their entire ai model was scraped.

AstroBen•1h ago
> Defendant SerpApi, LLC (“SerpApi”) offers services that “scrape” this copyrighted content and more from Google, using deceptive means to automatically access and take it for free at an astonishing scale and then offering it to various customers for a fee. In doing so, SerpApi acquires for itself the valuable product of Google’s labors and investment in the content, and denies Google’s partners compensation for their works

this has to be satire. Is Google not the #1 entity guilty of exactly this?

jefftk•1h ago
No, Google doesn't use deceptive means. They identify their crawler as GoogleBot, and obey robots.txt.
Nextgrid•1h ago
Google doesn't have to do that now after already having established its own monopoly... just like SerpApi wouldn't have to act deceptively if they had a monopoly on search.
jppope•1h ago
What about for their LLM products? We know that OpenAi does not respect the robots.txt file
srcreigh•1h ago
Of course Google uses deceptive means. Google doesn't have consent from anyone. Google has been artificially propped up by the US govt for many years. Google has economically forced everyone to allow Google to scrape their data.
AstroBen•55m ago
Because they've forced everyone to allow them. They're the internet traffic mafia. Block them and you disappear from the internet

They abuse this power to scrape your work, summarize it and cut you out as much as possible. Pure value extraction of others' work without equal return. Now intensified with AI

But yeah, you're right. They're not deceptive

ekjhgkejhgk•1h ago
Disgusting behavior by google. Scraping is google's whole business.

And then pretending that they're fighting for other people's copyright is just the cherry on top of the pile of hypocrisy.

SilverElfin•1h ago
Google scrapes so what even is this? Beyond that I think it is unreasonable and monopolistic that Google can use all this data (like YouTube) to bolster their AI products but no one else can. It just means the megacorp will keep being megacorp and smaller players are doomed to have to work much harder and get very lucky. It’s not fair competition. So I view scraping Google as necessary for our society.
bitpush•1h ago
From the filing

> SerpApi’s answer to SearchGuard is to mask the hundreds of millions of automated queries it is sending to Google each day to make them appear as if they are coming from human users. SerpApi’s founder recently described the process as “creating fake browsers using a multitude of IP addresses that Google sees as normal users.”

observationist•1h ago
This is why I stopped using google wherever possible - they pushed the frontier of useful fair use and copyright precedents and established that things on the public internet displayed to the public without a login mechanism are fair game for scraping. The US supreme court ruled that you have to incorporate authentication and not simply serve your content to the public internet if you want to restrict usage.

Then they bend over backwards and do the "but not like that!" crap with their legal team and swing their wealth and influence around to screw over other companies and people, and a vast majority of it just vanishes, gets memory holed, with NDAs and out of court settlements, so you never get to see the full scope of harm they inflict unless you're watching like a hawk and catch the headlines before they get disappeared.

Google needs to be broken up and we need to legislate the dismantling of the current adtech regime, with a privacy and sovereignty respecting digital bill of rights that puts the interests of individual citizens above that of giant corporate blobs and the mass surveillance data industry.

ChrisArchitect•10m ago
Related:

Reddit Accuses 'Data Scraper' Companies of Stealing Its Information

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45695433

Our Response to Reddit, Inc. vs. SerpApi, LLC: Defending the First Amendment

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45739889