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Privacy doesn't mean anything anymore, anonymity does

https://servury.com/blog/privacy-is-marketing-anonymity-is-architecture/
36•ybceo•2h ago

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al_borland•1h ago
Any business that isn’t willing to be as anonymous as Mullvad, I assume has a compromised business model that I don’t really like. Assuming there aren’t obvious reasons for needing the data, like tax filing, or various regulatory requirements.

I don’t understand why any company would want the liability of holding on to any personal data if it wasn’t vital to the operations of the business, considering all the data breaches we’ve seen over the past decade or so. It also means they can avoid all the lawyers writing complicated and confusing privacy policies, or cookie approval pop-ups.

martin-t•1h ago
> I don’t understand why any company would want the liability of holding on to any personal data if it wasn’t vital to the operations of the business, considering all the data breaches we’ve seen over the past decade or so.

They're OK with the liability exactly because of this very sentence. As you said, there's so many data breaches... so where are the company-ending fines and managers/execs going to prison?

tjpnz•22m ago
Here in Japan the government cracks down on it hard. There are fines for every n users exposed and in extreme cases a company can be forced to stop trading for a period of days or weeks. Companies are so scared of this happening to them that a significant portion of orientation for new employees is spent on it. I don't have stats on how effective it is, but I do know that the public is less willing to accept it as they tend to elsewhere.
PacificSpecific•10m ago
Wow good for them. I wish we took it that seriously in North America.
sixtyj•1m ago
GDPR has fines:

Up to EUR 10,000,000 or up to 2% of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher; applies to infringements such as controller and processor obligations, security of processing, record-keeping, and breach notification duties.

Up to EUR 20,000,000 or up to 4% of the total worldwide annual turnover of the preceding financial year, whichever is higher; applies to infringements of basic principles for processing, data subjects’ rights, and unlawful transfers of personal data to third countries or international organisations.

theturtletalks•1h ago
What scares me is that the more privacy oriented you are, the easier you are to fingerprint. At what point does privacy mean blending in with the crowd and not sticking out?
ybceo•45m ago
You're thinking about browser fingerprinting (client-side), but my post is about service-level anonymity (server-side).

Browser fingerprinting: "Your unique combination of extensions/settings makes you identifiable among other users."

Service anonymity: "There are no other users to compare you against because we don't collect identifying data."

When you sign up with just a random 32-char string, there's nothing to fingerprint. No email to correlate. No IP logs to analyze. No usage patterns to build a profile from.

Fingerprinting matters when services collect behavioral data. We architected our way out of having that data to begin with.

integralid•35m ago
>When you sign up with just a random 32-char string...

There's STILL a browser fingerprint, IP logs to analyze, usage patterns to build a profile from. You may claim you don't collect it, but users need to take your word for it. This is just pseudonymity, which (as many BTC users found out) only gets you halfway there. Real anonymity is way harder, often impossible.

Don't get me wrong, it's good to see organisations that care about privacy and in fact this blog post encouraged me to consider your services in the future. We have some use cases for that at work.

Though by using cloudflare you're NOT putting your money where your mouth is.

ybceo•23m ago
I was going to say making the platform open source might solve this problem, but then users would have to trust that we are actually running the open source version and not some fork with logging and tracking. This would be an interesting problem / paradox to try to crack.

But you are 100% right, I will look into alternatives for Cloudflare, which we are using because it seems like the cloud hosting industry LOVES to DDoS new players.

duskdozer•43m ago
Maybe ironically - just going on the title because I can't read the rest as a result - it's behind a cloudflare gate.
austin-cheney•39m ago
I would much rather have privacy with e2e encryption than have anonymity. The way that works is a direct connection between two parties without use of a central server, like webRTC.
CalRobert•13m ago
Sadly, everybody using a browser from a massive ad company and an idp (not to mention a company with an interest in crawling the entire web for AI at the same time site owners are dealing with better scrapers) means the entire web will be login-only over time.

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