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Airbus to migrate critical apps to a sovereign Euro cloud

https://www.theregister.com/2025/12/19/airbus_sovereign_cloud/
98•saubeidl•2h ago

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_ache_•1h ago
Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager". It's a step in financing EU sovereign cloud providers.
hulitu•32m ago
> Good, and them get ride of Palantir as a "data manager".

And how do we fight terrorists, CSAM and political opponents without Palantir ?

_ache_•27m ago
I don't think Airbus is fighting terrorists, child abuse or political opponents. So what is your point ? Airbus is fighting industrial espionage.
TeMPOraL•22m ago
Missed the sarcasm. But FWIW, all three are legitimate threat actors for a strategic airplane manufacturer.
_ache_•15m ago
I don't see how child abuse content is a risk for a airplane manufacturer but that is not how Palentir is used at Airbus.

I'm talking about the Skywise data platform.

https://www.aircraft.airbus.com/en/services/enhance/skywise-...

t43562•26m ago
Seems extremely dangerous to be doing those kinds of things with software from someone politically hostile. Perhaps the EU should be weaning itself off that too?
flumpcakes•1h ago
Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech, reinforcing the US's position as a global powerhouse. (Meanwhile US tech is built on the shoulders of their allies.) Now we see these same allies are starting to look inward and invest in technology they own completely because the US is acting decisively not like an ally. Something unthinkable since WW2.

I don't see this news as anything but a good thing. For every technology out there, the EU needs a native alternative. It's clear the current US administration wants to make the EU worse based on a politics of grievance.

jimnotgym•36m ago
I agree, this is a good thing. Long term stable large contracts are great simulation for a market. Airbus obviously has a large amount of military work, and its data needs to stay in Europe.

What we also need is a faster acceleration of military spending so this can happen with more companies.

hulitu•34m ago
> Meanwhile US tech is built on the shoulders of their allies

More on the laziness and stupidity of their allies. Linus was born in Finland, but lives now in US. Linux was also born in Finland, but is mainly steerd by US companies. Almost all computer equipment companies are from US.

rurban•26m ago
Almost all computer equipment is from China.
nosianu•26m ago
> Almost all computer equipment companies are from US.

Made in a few Asian countries. I think it's kind of funny reading the contents of your post and how it ignores Asia, that's actually behind most of it. How much of a Dell PC is US-American?

pyrale•25m ago
> More on the laziness and stupidity of their allies.

s/laziness and stupidity/corruption/g

See, for instance, what happened to Gemalto.

jimnotgym•14m ago
Was it laziness and stupidity, or was it protection money. I thought the deal since WW2 was a US security guarantee, in return for letting the US have our money. A protection racket. Or perhaps it was more like Europe paying tribute to its colonial master.

Anyhow it is clear the protection is not to be relied upon, so it is time to stop paying. It is dangerous making deals with gangsters. It is perhaps more dangerous to change the deal. But when the protection is not there, it is time to build strength.

Well done to France for maintaining its independent nuclear deterrent through this era. Britain made a mistake letting that go

tacker2000•6m ago
Wouldnt say its laziness.

The US has a long history of funding the Silicon Valley expansion using Darpa and other federal agencies for example.

Europe never had such a thing, and they had a fragmented market for a long time.

The big money is in the US, thats why the talent goes there.

digitalengineer•2m ago
And where would Silicon Valley be without CERN, that created the www?
unmole•17m ago
> Some people in the US deride it's close allies as "freeloaders" because they choose to use and buy US tech

This is a disingenuous straw man. The allies are derided for derided for literally freeloading on US military protection while underinvesting in their own defense.

oliwarner•7m ago
How's that? How many Middle Eastern refugees are America sheltering from the fallout of American aggression and the regimes it props up?

The US isn't anywhere close to paying its way.

jimnotgym•1m ago
Freeloading?

My country spends less on defence as a percentage of GDP than the US. But it spends much of that with US companies. This is not Freeloading. It was a deal. Cancel TSR-2, and buy American and we will lend you some money. Cancel your nuclear program and buy US submarine launched missiles and we will help you look after yourself. Now let Visa and Mastercard skim off all your transactions and we will keep you secure to keep the money flowing. Sweetheart tax deals for US companies to operate, and we will keep you safe to keep the money flowing. It is not Freeloading, it is colonialism

breve•1h ago
A necessary step to reduce risk to infrastructure given that the US government has become erratic and has decided it is now anti-Europe.

The US means to undermine the EU: https://www.dw.com/en/will-trump-pull-italy-austria-poland-h...

The US means to annex European territory: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9l08902eo

It's the same reason you don't want Chinese equipment in your telecommunications infrastructure. You can't trust what the Chinese government will do to it or with it.

PeterStuer•54m ago
Good, but how independent of US service providers is S/4HANA in practice?
sylware•42m ago
Airbus is putting all its design on internet? wow...
raverbashing•35m ago
You'd be fooling yourself if you think any moderately complex company still hasn't moved to the cloud or isn't thinking about it (with rare exceptions)
notahacker•5m ago
Yeah, not really sure how a globally distributed manufacturing operation with a complex supply chain and customers all over the world that need access to data for their operations is supposed to function effectively without it.

(and I say that as someone that used to sell commercial aviation data that came on CDs...)

pestaa•33m ago
Managing product data on the cloud does not mean public internet access, unless someone messes something up big time.
hulitu•30m ago
> Airbus is putting all its design on internet? wow...

Not only Airbus. You see, cloud is secure, information is encrypted and only you have access to your data.

jasonvorhe•35m ago
Having worked with all major European clouds: Good luck, have fun opening a lot of support cases for things that should work ootb.
jimnotgym•26m ago
Did you ever do it while waiving a $50m cheque though?
jillesvangurp•23m ago
Much of what people call cloud is a commodity at this point. If you need vms, object storage, load balancers, vpcs, etc., which is what most people would need, that works in a lot of solutions. And you can usually also find managed databases, redis, and a few other bits and bobs. If you like Kubernetes (I personally don't), the whole point of that is that it kind of works everywhere.

People over pay for AWS mostly because of brand recognition. And it's not even small amounts. You get a lot more CPU/memory/bandwidth with some of the competitors. AWS makes money by squeezing their customers hard on that. Competitors do the obvious thing of being a bit more generous. Companies could save a ton just switching to competing solutions. Try it. It's not that hard. Some solutions are obviously not as complete.

This not about US vs. EU but about sovereignty. If you are married to AWS, that's a weakness in itself. Ask yourself how hard it would be to move to Google cloud. Or Azure. Or whatever. If that's very hard, you might have a problem when Amazon jacks up the prices or discontinues a product.

We use a mix of Google Cloud and Telekom Cloud for some of our more picky customers in Germany. Telekom Cloud is not very glamorous. But it's essentially openstack. Which is an open source thing backed by IBM and others. I wouldn't necessary recommend Telekom Cloud (it has a few weaknesses in support and documentation). But it does the job. And unlike AWS, I can get people on the phone and they are happy to talk to me.

general1465•1m ago
> If you are married to AWS, that's a weakness in itself

I have tried Lambdas and then got this "oh-shit moment" when I have realized that if AWS would be to kick me out, I would be absolutely screwed.

Now I am slowly dispersing and using VMs instead and avoiding all the AWS-specific stuff as much as I can.

Doches•20m ago
I wonder if this includes Skywise, the Palantir-built data lake and design stack that they use for many many internal operations (design, airline support, manufacturing). Not sure what difference it really makes where the data is hosted if the folks doing the hosting call home to Colorado…

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