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OrangePi 6 Plus Review: The New Frontier for ARM64 SBC Performance

https://boilingsteam.com/orange-pi-6-plus-review/
20•ekianjo•2h ago

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fweimer•1h ago
Unfortunately, this board seems to be using the CIX CPU that has power management issues:

> 15W at idle, which is fairly high

eleventyseven•48m ago
The review shows ARM64 software support is still painful vs x86. For $200 for the 16gb model, this is the price point where you could just get an Intel N150 mini PC in the same form factor. And those usually come with cases. They also tend to pull 5-8w at idle, while this is 15w. Cool if you really want ARM64, but at this end of the performance spectrum, why not stick with the x86 stack where everything just works a lot easier?
baobun•33m ago
With RAM it will be costing notably more, with 4 cores instead of 12. I'd expect this to run circles around an N150 for single-threaded perf too.

They are not in the same class, which is reflected in the power envelope.

BTW what's up with people pushing N150 and N300 in every single ARM SBC thread? Y'all Intel shareholders or something? I run both but not to the exclusion of everything else. There is nothing I've failed to run successfully on my ARM ones and the only thing I haven't tried is gaming.

trollied•18m ago
No idea - the ryzen based ones are better!
ekianjo•32m ago
Yes x86 will win for convenience on about every metric (at least for now), but this SoC's CPU is much faster than a mere Intel N150 (especially for multicore use cases).
cmrdporcupine•23m ago
I've got two RK3588 boards here doing Linux-y things around my place (Jellyfin, Forgejo builders, Immich, etc) and ... I don't think I've run into pain? They're running various debian and just ... work? I can't think of a single package that I couldn't get for ARM64.

Likewise my VPS @ Hetzner is running Aarch64. No drama. Only pain is how brutal the Rust cross-compile is from my x86 machine.

I mean, here's Geerling running a bunch of Steam games flawlessly on a Aarch64 NVIDIA GB10 machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjRKvKC4ntw

(Those things are expensive, but I just ordered one [the ASUS variant] for myself.)

Meanwhile Apple is pushing the ARM64 architecture hard, and Windows is apparently actually quite viable now?

Personally... it's totally irrational, but I have always had a grudge against x86 since it "won" in the early 90s and I had to switch from 68k. I want diversity in ISAs. RISC-V would be nice, but I'll settle for ARM for now.

drnick1•14m ago
Agreed, at least for a likely "home use" case, such as a TV box, router, or general purpose file server or Docker host, I don't see how this board is better than something like a Beelink mini PC. The Orange Pi does not even come with a case, power supply or cooler. Contrast that with a Beelink that has a built-in power supply (no external brick) and of course a case and cooler.
ekianjo•7m ago
This OrangePi 6 Plus board comes with cooling and a power supply (usb-c). No case, though.
andy99•19m ago
When something has an 30 TOPS NPU, what are the implications? Do NPUs like this have some common backend that ggml/llama.cpp targets? Is it proprietary and only works for some specific software? Does it have access to all the system RAM and at what bandwidth?

I know the concept has been around for a while but no idea if it actually means anything. I assume that people are targeting ones in common devices like Apple, but what about here?

ekianjo•17m ago
It needs specific support, and for example llama.cpp would have support for some of them. But that comes with limitations in how much RAM they can allocate. But when they work, you see a flat CPU usage and the NPU does everything for inference.
cmrdporcupine•12m ago
Can't speak to this specific NPU but these kind of accelerators are really made more for more general ML things like machine vision etc. For example while people have made the (6 TOPS) NPU in the (similar board) RK3588 work with llama.cpp it isn't super useful because of the RAM constraints. I believe it has some sort of 32-bit memory addressing limit, so you can never give it more than 3 or 4 GB for example. So for LLMs, not all that useful.

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