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Groq investor sounds alarm on data centers

https://www.axios.com/2025/12/29/groq-alex-davis-data-center-concerns
31•giuliomagnifico•2h ago

Comments

christophilus•1h ago
Axios hijacks the back button. The TLDR is: we’re building too much speculative capacity and the “if we build it, they will come” assumption will be proven wrong.
kouunji•1h ago
Such bad behavior on the back button - it’s such a shabby trick, and makes me think less of any site that pulls that.
walthamstow•36m ago
I always think about the developers who were asked to implement something like this
fweimer•53m ago
> I am also deeply concerned about the “speculative” data center market. The “build it and they will come”strategy is a trap. If you are a hyperscaler, you will own your own data centers.

Is this actually true? I thought that hyperscalers keep datacenters at arm's length, using subsidiaries and outsourcing a lot of things.

gtirloni•44m ago
If/when the AI bubble pops and we're left with hundreds of underutilized datacenters, I think this could be good for hosting customers by driving prices down across the board. Maybe it will make self-hosting even more cheaper than public clouds.
nba456_•40m ago
The best indication that this isn't a bubble is all the people who would jump at the chance to buy more capacity if the price drops even a little.
gtirloni•7m ago
Only if they were buying GPU capacity.
MangoToupe•39m ago
I'm sure this will be a nice consolation as the meaningful part of the economy collapses
999900000999•32m ago
I was more thinking these data centers will become homeless shelters.
stetrain•38m ago
Aren't these datacenters biased majorly towards GPU capacity? Maybe we'll see a resurgence of cloud game streaming initiatives.
piva00•21m ago
The GPUs being used for AI training aren't useful for running games, I highly doubt they could be repurposed for that.

They can run other ML stuff but I don't see how the world could absorb the amount of compute/RAM for these other workflows.

Since the hardware itself depreciates quite fast compared to the buildings, the long lasting physical structure is probably the best bet, being repurposed for more general computing (since all HVAC, electricity, and other expensive infrastructure is already in place).

impossiblefork•21m ago
I think the interesting thing would be if something like Euclyd is successful, and the 10 GW become 100 MW, and the giant server halls become 800 cabinets total.

Then the inference mega datacentre investment becomes a losing proposition for those who paid too much for the wrong kind of computers, but AI users still get more compute, lower prices etc.

yesco•13m ago
Don't these data centers have pretty elaborate cooling setups that use large volumes of water?

So they're sitting on real estate with access to massive amounts of water, electricity, and high bandwidth network connections. Seems like that combination of resources could be useful for a lot of other things beyond just data centers.

Like you could probably run desalination plants, large scale hydroponic farms, semiconductor manufacturing, or chemical processing facilities. Anything that needs the trifecta of heavy power, water infrastructure, and fiber connectivity could slot right in.

Imustaskforhelp•1m ago
Semiconductor manufacturing might make sense here but I also don't think it might not simply because it would require probably a lot of expertise and knowledge and complex machinery with experience in this industry which I assume would be very hard to gather even for these datacenters.

I don't see any reasonable path moving forward for these datacenters for the amount of money that they have invested.

Imustaskforhelp•4m ago
I think it will also allow later down the board for more competition down the line for the hardware 3-5 years down the line.

But I don't really think that focusing on GPU market is gonna work as I don't really see much reason to cater to GPU intensive workloads unless you are affiliated with AI (for most part, some GPU compute is good but datacenters shouldn't really invest so much in GPU compute)

I feel like I am more optimistic about buying stuff (preferably compute) 3-5 years down the board when things might become cheap in my opinion

But this is still a very long time. On one hand I want Ai bubble to burst asap to lessen the impacts of financial crisis but on the other I really think about the financial crisis and think if there are any ways to mitigate the economy's loss so that it doesn't become 2008 crisis

But reality to me feels as if the chances of Bubble popping up is inevitable, the only question is if we can do anything to lessen the strain on the average person all around the world. I think America will be impacted the most but I wonder how geo-politically this might impact other countries as compared to the 2008 crisis.

I don't really think the american govt. is doing anything to lessen the strain the bubble can cause tho, perhaps even promoting things like stargate/AI bubble itself.

It's just sad for 3-4 years. Lets hope economy gets better and more reasonable than AI hype

MangoToupe•40m ago
> Data centers are becoming political flashpoints, primarily because of their impact on electricity prices.

I'd bet anything that they know people are pissed the market has wildly misallocated capital and are trying to save face by framing it as a cost that directly impacts consumers. In reality, the fear is knowing that our investor class is really too dumb to handle the money we've stuck in a box called "the world's retirement funds" and handed to them.

jennyholzer3•5m ago
"our investor class is really too dumb to handle the money we've stuck in a box called "the world's retirement funds" and handed to them."

all it took was a chatbot that says "you're a genius"

delichon•18m ago
They are building too many steam engines. It's a bubble that's going to pop and leave investors empty handed. There are only so many mines to pump water out of, mills to turn, textile machines to crank. And those industries have jumped on a bandwagon that they don't understand, and most will soon mostly revert to good old English laborers. His Majesty's subjects are starting to see the terrible environmental effects of burning so much more coal. As a prudent investor I now recommend a Sell for the stocks of the Boulton & Watt company.
marcosdumay•15m ago
> They are building too many steam engines. It's a bubble that's going to pop and leave investors empty handed.

What a great analogy. People building too many steam engines was one of the main factors that lead to the first world war.

piker•12m ago
Sounds interesting. Do you have a source for that?
jacquesm•13m ago
This data center boom is so reminiscent of the .com period. Suddenly everybody with two computers next to each other had a data center (usually in a closet somewhere, if you were lucky it was locked).

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