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Times New American: A Tale of Two Fonts

https://hsu.cy/2025/12/times-new-american/
58•firexcy•2h ago

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imnotlost•1h ago
The correct typeface for the current U.S. administration would of course be Comic Sans or perhaps Comic Serif for double-super-serious documents.
Suzuran•1h ago
Fraktur.
andybak•1h ago
:-/
tempodox•1h ago
Fraktur would be apt as the oldest existing typeface. This administration and its supporters are so backward, it makes the 1600s look like mega-liberal ultra-modern science fiction. I’m just waiting for an executive order reintroducing cuneiform.
Y_Y•1h ago
> Martin Bormann issued a circular (the "normal type decree") to all public offices which declared Fraktur (and its corollary, the Sütterlin-based handwriting) to be Judenlettern (Jewish letters) and prohibited their further use.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur

I don't know if you meant to invoke pro/anti-Nazi associations with this typeface but it's unfortunate that such a fantastic lettering style carries around a poisonous historical connotation.

throwaway173738•46m ago
Why is that poisonous? It sounds like Fraktur was rejected by Nazi Germany which isn’t a bad thing at all.
Y_Y•16m ago
Do you know anything about the Nazis, other than that they are bad?

They used Fraktur extensively before 1941 and it's closely associated with Nazi imagery. This is all explained in that link I posted.

I prefer to think of Lie groups, but it's rife in the Nazi propaganda of the 30s, official documents etc.

johannes1234321•1h ago
No, Comic sans is too woke.

In seriousness: Comic Sans seems to be a good font for dyslexic people and helps them read.

https://dyslexichelp.org/why-is-comic-sans-good-for-dyslexia...

mlfreeman•1h ago
And Wingdings for classified material!
s20n•1h ago
Of course, just as the highlight tool is used for redaction, wingdings is used for encryption!
silon42•19m ago
Not Cyrillic?
rchowe•1h ago
Using either Calibri or Times New Roman makes it look like you did not put any thought into your brand and chose the default in Microsoft Word. The State department probably has certain constraints (i.e. they likely have to choose one of the fonts that ships with Microsoft Word, and possibly a subset of that that also ships on macOS), but they could definitely choose better than the default.

I find the narrow serif typefaces such as Century Schoolbook a bit harder to read than ones with more normal spacing, and I think the US government should optimize for legibility and accessibility over style in routine communications. Palatino or Garamond would probably be my choices.

xattt•1h ago
It’s the US government, and it could easily develop their own Liberty- or Freedom-type if the current administration wanted to leave their own mark.
theandrewbailey•1h ago
https://public-sans.digital.gov/
magnio•1h ago
Shouldn't public documents by the government use a free and libre font? In fact, the mentioned Public Sans developed by the US federal government seems to be a great option, as it actually distinguishes the lowercase l and the uppercase I, something that, ironically, all suggested sans-serif alternatives fail to do.
gumby271•28m ago
You would hope, but changing this font isn't about making anything better, it's that Calibre was apparently a DEI font and had to go. I can't imagine these people thinking highly of an open source (Oooh communism) font that's also designed with accessibility in mind.
symbogra•1h ago
Wow, the sample shows that 15 point Calibri on official government documents was truly awful. In software when we make a mistake that causes some production issue the best first action is almost always to roll back. Maybe 14 pt TNR isn't the best, but rolling back to it is a defensible decision.
alex_suzuki•56m ago
At some point in the past I read that serif fonts are better for readability, as the supports at the base of the letters form a line and help the eye stay “on track”. This is never mentioned in TFA, so I assume it’s an urban legend? Personally I much prefer serif fonts when reading longer texts.
phantom784•55m ago
I was once taught that serif fonts are better in print, and sans-serif is better on a screen.
skywhopper•46m ago
This was definitely true in the days before hi-res screens and good anti-aliasing, simply because the serifs get lost or become noise in lower-resolution settings. It’s probably less true today.

Of course, in terms of accessibility, there are any number of reasons why someone might prefer to read content in any number of typefaces. Certain typefaces are better for folks with dyslexia. Others may be better for certain folks with ADHD. People with low vision may just prefer a larger typeface.

We have these amazing machines we’ve invented that can display the same text in any number of different ways. At this point, it seems ridiculous to need to mandate a specific typeface for electronic usage. Sure, pick a well-regarded default, but if we want to mandate something, it should be that software provides tools to allow users to adjust textual elements of documents they are reading to suit their own needs.

swed420•48m ago
"Healthcare pls"

edit for the silent downvoters:

The article was good for the topic at hand. My comment applies to the existence of the debate itself in the context of a failing first world country.

coffeefirst•24m ago
Well, the correct traditional font for State should really be Courier, because “Real America” used typewriters for all correspondence.
tolerance•23m ago
This was a terrific, reasonable take on this “controversy”. I have to admit that the correspondence set in Calibri looks like something dispatched from a leasing office. Imagine reading the Warren Commission report set in that. The author seems to settle on the consensus that surrounded TNR before this exchange made the news. It’s banal. At times it signals to its original objectives (e.g., Prof. Dr. style websites [1]). But still banal more often than not.

I love Univers. But I don’t think there’s anyone in public office with enough influence and swagger to ever enforce it. At the same time I have a bad feeling about the attention that decisions like this draw and what it may lead to. The article does a great job at portraying the general incompetence in both parties.

I can imagine Beto O’Rourke somewhere dreaming about styling all government communiqués like a page out of Ray Gun. Planning his come back. To set anything issued from Ted Cruz’s office in Zapf Dingbats. War.

[1]: https://contemporary-home-computing.org/prof-dr-style/

wavefunction•19m ago
I suppose the administration's typo-ridden nonsense formatted with a serif-font MIGHT appear more professional. It's certainly possible, not impossible.
TomMasz•15m ago
Sadly, all that matters is it's free of any "DEI" connotations.

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