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Resistance training load does not determine hypertrophy

https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1113/JP289684
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hazard•26m ago
tldr appears to be that if you work to fatigue it doesn't matter if you fatigue out with high weights vs low weights
chrishare•20m ago
When training for muscle size atleast, but not strength. Presumably there are increased injury risks overall when lifting heavy (based on a brief search).
Analemma_•24m ago
I know it's practically de rigeur to jump into the comments and immediately complain about methodology for any study that makes it to the front page, and I want to emphasize I don't distrust their findings, but I would like to see an equivalent study go out longer than 10 weeks. When I've been taking weightlifting seriously I feel like I don't even start to notice hypertrophy until 8-10 weeks. I feel like 6 months is the actual period where results would matter, to me, but I assume "subject compliance" is pretty difficult to get for such a timeframe, if you're really watching dietary intake and ensuring subjects go to failure (which, to its credit, this study did).
armcat•24m ago
I thought it was already well understood/researched that it's not the weights that matter, but effectively taking your sets to muscular failure. While one might think "I can do 50 reps with low weights" there is practical aspects to this - you don't wand to spend hours at the gym, and doing heavy weights at 5-7 reps is sufficient as long as you are close or at muscular failure.
xnx•18m ago
Well understood, but not widely known. The myths and superstitions around anything health related are frustratingly durable.
elevaet•15m ago
What about the old gym adage "training to failure is failing to train" - is there any physiological basis for this, or is it mental, or just a myth?
kace91•9m ago
I’ve never heard that, it’s usually the opposite- people do strip sets and the like to reach failure
kace91•10m ago
>While one might think "I can do 50 reps with low weights"

The caveat is that you need anaerobic training. Low enough weight and it’s cardio, you don’t get giant legs by walking to failure for example.

amelius•5m ago
How about making muscles fail by stretching them under load?
jimbo808•3m ago
Sounds like a great way to injure yourself, also would only work for eccentric motion
weinzierl•22m ago
If I read this correctly the gist is that it does not matter if you use heavy weights with few reps (common body builder wisdom) or lighter weights with more reps. As long as you always exercise to complete muscle fatigue you'll get the maximum for your genetics (which itself varies a lot).
kace91•12m ago
It is actually common bodybuilder wisdom to go for the lighter version.

Stereotyping, weightlifters who go for max numbers do 1 set of a million pounds and rest three hours between exercises, while bodybuilders do thirty exercises a day for 8 series of 15 reps each.

zemvpferreira•12m ago
It’s worth noting that muscle is not all the same. If you’re just into bodybuilding then sure, proximity to failure is what matters. For athletics though, there still seems to be a big impact in the rep range you work in.
bethekidyouwant•15m ago
The group that did lower reps with higher weight, had the better one rep max at the end of the study, but they didn’t measure if the higher rep group had greater endurance. Which seems a bit odd, considering their conclusion is both groups grew the same amount of muscle which fine but if the muscle is adapted for something different in each group, you would want to capture that.
Torkel•15m ago
I.e.

No pain, no gain.

cubefox•8m ago
> Twenty healthy young male participants completed thrice-weekly resistance exercise sessions for 10 weeks.

Not sure how much can be concluded from this.

amelius•7m ago
Wait, why are we figuring this out only now?

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