Not possible.
To which governments, courts, and populations likely respond "We don't care if you can't go to market. We don't want models that do this. Solve it or don't offer your services here."
Also… I think they probably could solve this. AI image analysis is a thing. AI that estimate age from an image has been a thing for ages. It's not like the idea of throwing the entire internet worth of images at a training sessions just to make a single "allowed/forbidden" filter is even ridiculous compared to the scale of all the other things going on right now.
Also, lets test your commitment to consistency on this matter. In most jurisdictions possession and creation of CSAM is a strict liability crime, so do you support prosecuting whatever journalist demonstrated this capability to the maximum extent of the law? Or are you only in favor of protecting children when it happens to advance other priorities of yours?
I did not see the details of what happened, but if someone did in fact take a photo of a real child they had no connection to and caused the images to be created, then yes, they should be investigated, and if the prosecutor thinks they can get a conviction they should be charged.
That is just what the law says today (AIUI), and is consistent with how it has been applied.
I doubt anyone will go to jail over this. What (I think) should happen is state or federal law enforcement need to make it very clear to Xai (and the others) that this is unacceptable, and that if it keep happening, and you are not showing that you are fixing it (even if that means some degradation in the capability of the system/service), then you will be charged.
One of the strengths of the western legal system that I think is under appreciated by people here is that it is subject to interpretation. Law is not Code. This makes it flexible to deal with new situations, and this is (IME) always accompanied by at least a small amount of discretion in enforcement. And in the end, the laws and how they are interpreted and enforced are subject to democratic forces.
It's like cyber insurance requirements - for better or worse, you need to show that you have been audited, not prove you are actually safe.
Collectively, probably more. Grok? Not unless you count each frame of a video, I think.
> If getting it wrong for even one of those images is enough to get the entire model banned then it probably isn't possible and this de facto outlaws all image models.
If the threshold is one in a billion… well, the risk is for adversarial outcomes, so you can't just toss a billion attempts at it and see what pops out, but a billion images, if it's anything like Stable Diffusion you can stop early, and my experiments with SD suggested the energy cost even for a full generation is only $0.0001/image*, so a billion is merely $100k.
Given the current limits of GenAI tools, simply not including unclothed or scantily clad people in the training set would prevent this. I mean, I guess you could leave topless bodybuilders in there, then all these pics would look like Arnold Schwarzenegger, almost everyone would laugh and not care.
> That may precisely be the point of this tbh.
Perhaps. But I don't think we need that excuse if this was the goal, and I am not convinced this is the goal in the EU for other reasons besides.
* https://benwheatley.github.io/blog/2022/10/09-19.33.04.html
No, they likely won't. AI has become far too big to fail at this point. So much money has been invested in it that speculation on AI alone is holding back a global economic collapse. Governments and companies have invested in AI so deeply that all failure modes have become existential.
If models can't be contained, controlled or properly regulated then they simply won't be contained, controlled or properly regulated.
We'll attempt it, of course, but the limits of what the law deems acceptable will be entirely defined by what is necessary for AI to succeed, because at this point it must. There's no turning back.
Not in Europe it hasn't, and definitely not for specifically image generation, where it seems to be filling the same role as clipart, stock photos, and style transfer that can be done in other ways.
Image editing is the latest hotness in GenAI image models, but knowledge of this doesn't seem to have percolated very far around the economy, only with weird toys like this one currently causing drama.
> If models can't be contained, controlled or properly regulated then they simply won't be contained, controlled or properly regulated.
I wish I could've shown this kind of message to people 3.5 years ago, or even 2 years ago, saying that AI will never take over because we can always just switch it off.
Mind you, for 2 years ago I did, and they still didn't like it.
Things that cannot happen will not happen. "AI" (aka LLMs dressed up as AGI by giga-scalr scammers) is never going to work as hyped. What I expect to see in the collision is an attempt to leverage corporate fear and greed into wealth-extractive social control. Hopefully it burns to the ground.
This might be true for the glorified search engine type of AI that everyone is familiar with, but not for image generation. It's a novelty at best, something people try a couple times and then forget about.
Grok is a novelty, but that's Grok.
I don't think the ability for citizens to make deep fake porn of whoever they want is the same as a country not investing in practical defensive applications of AI.
You don't have the right to act in violation of the law merely because it's the only way to make a buck.
And if you want to change the law to allow the business, go for it. But until then, we must follow the law.
Sometimes it is. Sometimes "democracy" isn't just a buzzword.
X.com has been blocked by poorer nations than France (specifically, Brazil) for not following local law.
> Not possible.
Note that the description of the accusation earlier in the article is:
> The French government accused Grok on Friday of generating “clearly illegal” sexual content on X without people’s consent, flagging the matter as potentially violating the European Union’s Digital Services Act.
It may be impossible to perfectly regulate what content the model can create, it is quite practical for the Grok product to enforce consent of the user whose content is being operated on before content can be generated based on it and, after the context is generated, before it can be viewed by or distributed to anyone else.
It could enforce the consent of the user who posted the source image, but anyone can post an image of anyone else, so that wouldn't count for much.
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If you think people here think that models should enable CSAM you're out of your mind. There is such thing as reasonable safety, it not all or nothing. You also don't understand the diversity of opinion here.
More broadly, if you don't reasonable regulate your own models and related work, then it attracts government regulation.
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However I think for Europe the regular sexual content moderation is way over the top. I know the US is very prudish but here most people aren't. As an example I was at a NYE dinner party and we had a lengthy discussion about female ejaculation (trying to avoid using the more common slang word for it :) and several of my friends commented on their experiences. I imagine this is not done in the US but here it's quite normal among friends, just less so in a work setting (hence the NSFW label being pretty appropriate)
If you mention something like that to a mainstream AI it will immediately close down which is super annoying because it blocks using it for such discussion topics.
Limits on topics that aren't illegal should be selectable by the user. Not baked in hard to the most restricted standards.