I think most regulation is a concave quadratic function of regulations vs benefit. At zero regulation it can be very bad, but there also must be a point at which something is so smothered in regulation that doing anything is impossible. So there must be a maxima somewhere between the two points.
All I think is that the current state of drug regulation quite a long way to the right of that maxima, that doesn't mean I think we should remove it all to zero, or that some other things aren't to the left of it and need more regulation!
Probably most disagreements over this sort of thing are just people who disagree about which side of the maxima we're on.
Certainly more important than other definitely dangerous activities like wingsuits and motorcycles.
Was hen heroic? No, just gullible.
I wish there were some good that came out of this. But these are completely unusable results. It's uncontrolled and not being studied.
Did their testicles fall off because of LLM drug 32, drug 34, drug 2, or a combination of all the drugs they took at the same time? Or maybe it's a combination of their genetic makeup and drug 4.
It'd be like trying to glean any useful medical information from any drug addict. Was the heart attack caused by meth, huffing paint, or one too many cheese burgers? Who knows.
On the actual efficacy and safety fair point. But we're all adults here (I hope). And as for "society's consequences" other people mention most of these compounds are taken is such tiny amounts it is very unlikely they are harmful once they have been out for a couple of years and people have been taking them(for example 250ug every second day for bpc-157 my favourite compound that is proven by research to improve necrotic wound healing in mice and significantly improve injury recovery in my personal experience).
As for modification of hormonal pathways. Retatrutide is in a middle of human trials. There is no indication so far it is harmful. Personally I've not taken it (despite my doc literally pitching ozempic to me a month ago, my bmi is 31 and I never seriously tried to diet in my life - I decided to try "the natural way" first - to be fair the doc was also interested in the improvement in the glucose metabolism not just weight loss in my case). But I might in next 6 months if I don't get the results I want.
This is nothing new. Numerous “scenes” do the same. There’s the longevity scene connected to this one.
There’s the psychonaut scene. That’s a bit from the erowid/and misc scene of the early 2010s.
There’s the bodybuilding / gym scene which probably is the longest and oldest subset of members.
I’m not sure which niche communities I’m missing.
It can be understood as hobby group that focuses on drugs instead of another topic. It’s a fine line between reckless and leading edge that most don’t follow imo but it’s a community with its own rules.
Well, six years after he bought it the bike’s frame cracked in half as he was parking it. Somehow he avoided that happening in traffic.
Also why risk permanently destroying yourself. We each only get one human mind and one human body - it’s irrational to do something with so much downside risk.
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