Considering that, either of two things would be sufficient for them to make general purpose robots:
* It will be one of their numerous business lines and provide substitutable labor for the others, not all of which are in car construction
* Considering they are in things from credit cards to railways to steel, they would like to add a new product line of selling robots to other customers
None of this is outrageously out of line. Various companies start with some business lines and end up with others. This is particularly common in Korea where Samsung wasn't always a semiconductor company. Hyundai themselves were in construction first. Closer to home, Amex was a logistics company. These things happen. Perhaps you are familiar with Softbank which was a PC software publisher and is now an investment company.
Second, I have to imagine that there are spillover effects for their other robots. Being able to make legs that are nimble is good for the ability to make grabber arms for industrial robots. So even if the humanoid product line goes nowhere, they could end up with better material handlers.
People seem to misunderstand how easy it is to build a humanoid robot and how hard it is to program robots in general. Even if you build a humanoid robot that is perfectly general purpose mechanically, you will still need to program it like a computer that just happens to have arms and legs.
Expensive compared to other industrial robots?
Maybe wait for a consumer version... without 56 DoF. Although who knows what kind of laundry folding might be possible with 56 degrees of freedom, and fully rotating joints!
And for now; who knows if it can fold laundry, literally the only demos we get is dancing and marial arts, 2 things I could not care less about. I want my house painted in whatever hot weather (painters don't work in the summer here because too hot), laundry picked up, stairs cleaned etc. I don't need a 100k robot doing Korean dances.
But I think this 56 DoF might be more interesting than whatever the consumer product will be, as the consumer products seem to be vastly worse even than the industrial ones and both had 'sketchy' demos of doing very simple tasks (slow, parkinson like, many takes, often with someone controlling it with vr glasses and controller).
From the article:
Hyundai aims not only to use humanoid robotics but also to scale it industrially. The company plans to build a production system with a capacity of up to 30,000 robots per year. Analysts at Morgan Stanley Research predict the market for humanoid robotics to reach a volume of around five trillion US dollars by the year 2050. For the period around 2028, when Hyundai plans to start scalable production, a unit price of about 150,000 US dollars is expected.
What claim will Elon make next to defend the stock price?
Needs more manipulation. Such elaborate fingers and all it does is mime carrying a box. There are some brief material handling demos at the end, but nothing challenging.
There's been considerable progress in robot manipulation in the past year, after many decades of very slow progress. This year's new manipulation demos have been for fixed base robot hands. Robot manipulation still isn't good enough for Amazon's bin picking. The best demo of 2025 is two robot hands opening a padlock with a key, with one hand holding the lock while the other uses the key.
We'll probably see this start to come together in 2026.
Thus far I see no evidence that robot manipulation will come together by 2036, let alone 2026.
https://www.pi.website/blog/pistar06 has some reasonable footage of making espresso drinks, folding cardboard boxes, etc.
That system, coupled to one of the humanoids for mobility, could be quite useful. A near term use case might be in CNC machining centers. CNC machine tools now work well enough on their own that some shops run them all night. They use replaceable cutting tools which are held in standard tool holders. Someone has to regularly replace the cutting tools with fresh ones, which limits how long you can run unattended. So a robot able to change tool holders during the night would be useful in production plants.
See [2], which is a US-based company that makes molds for injection molding, something the US supposedly doesn't do any more. They have people on day shift, but the machines run all night and on weekends. To do that, they have to have refrigerator-sized units with tools on turntables, and conveyors and stackers for workplace pallets. A humanoid robot might be simpler than all the support machinery required to feed the CNC machines for unattended operation.
There is literally no point in having a humanoid here. The primary reason you'd want a human here is that hiring a human to swap tools is extremely cost effective since they don't actually need to have any knowledge of operating the machines and just need to be trained on that one particular task.
A humanoid robot is significantly more complicated than any CNC. Even with multi-axis, tool change, and pallet feeding these CNC robots are simpler in both control and environment.
These robots don't produce a piece by thinking about how their tools will affect the piece, they produce it by cycling though fixed commands with all of the intelligence of the design determined by the manufacturer before the operations.
These are also highly controlled environments. The kind of things they have to detect and respond to are tool breakage, over torque, etc. And they respond to those mainly by picking a new tool.
The gulf between humanoid robotics in uncontrolled environments is vast even compared to advanced CNC machines like these (which are awesome). Uncontrolled robotics is a completely different domain, akin to solving computation in P by a rote algorithm, vs excellent approximations in NP by trained ML/heuristic methods. Like saying any sorting algorithm may be more complex than a SOTA LLM.
And even if it isn't just doing crazy intentional-seeming horror stuff, we're still a good ways off from passing the safely make a cup of coffee in a random house without burning it down or scalding the baby test.
Tesla’s R&D has been shit for years. The value it brings to the table is mass-manufacturing expertise.
Tesla can bomb the robot for a while. As long as it keeps its plants online, it can buy or partner with one of these guys with its manufacturing platform (and political connections).
Not a bullish case. But also not a death knell.
I don't see how that squares with the ramp-up and QC issues that are well-documented at this point.
They’re shipping. Nobody else is (in America) for battery electrics at that scale.
That doesn’t port perfectly to robotics. But it’s a good enough fit to give them, at the very least, a seat at every auction.
(Tesla also has cheap acquisition currency in its stock.)
Or Hyundai EVs breaking down 10x more often than worst ICE cars according to ADAS.
https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...
Manufactured (No pun intended) political outrage most likely. Seems to be the M.O for the last few years at least.
We don’t know the capabilities of either and how they match up against Tesla’s Optimus and FSD.
IANAL.. I know current US computer crime laws are extremely broad and ill-defined. Curious to hear opinion from someone who actually knows some law.
What's to stop a hacker from hacking into the tesla update server and pushing an update that causes all teslas to max accelerate right off bridges?
I wonder if over-the-air updates for cars will cause new legislation and a new regulatory body making it illegal to push a murder-update to cars, cause otherwise someone will surely do that.
It's neither that easy to "just hack anything", nor does the world have skilled malicious people that want to commit murder, if only they could do it through hacking instead of with a gun.
Like, this fear-mongering about "what if the hackers turn this into a weapon" seems like such a silly worry in a country where anyone can trivially acquire a gun and a bump-stock, or a car, or a drone and materials for a bomb. Or a canister of gasoline and a pack of matches.
also
"the next version is totally ready, but here's a full-size model"
Most likely the cooling of the actuator motors. You need to keep the magnets in the motors under their curie point or they stop being magnets. At the same time the coils right next to the magnets are heated by the electricity going through them.
Boston Dynamics and DeepMind form new AI partnership
It would be cool to have one at home as a little helper some day.
So I looked it up and it seems Hyundai owns Boston Dynamics now.
What happened?
On one hand, this is great. It portends that all of us will benefit from intense price-and-feature competition between Hyundai, Tesla, and others.
On the other hand, Ironman 2's Hammer Drones no longer seem so far off:
https://youtu.be/Ryth87k2Mww?t=78
and Robocop doesn't seem so far-off either:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECemP5fi_n0
We sure live in interesting times.
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LarsDu88•1mo ago
Sometimes, demos are just not ready on time. It's a reality of life. Not every company throws baseballs at their Cybertruck windows onstage.
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krisoft•1mo ago
Anticlimax because the first robot hyped up the entrance of the second robot. It was emotionaly conveying that “hey you think these groovy movements are great? Check out this guy.” But once it become clear that the next guy is just a dumb statue it deflated. How lively the first one was made the second one that much worse in context. A step back.
That is the emotional fail. But perhaps you don’t care about that. Think about what additional message the stage presence of the second robot conveys. The first robot estabilished that they can make a smooth robot. They drove home that the robot is usually autonomous, but in any way it is not pupetted by a guy in a motion tracking suit. The presentation covered how the robots will be used, who will be the first pilot costumer, how will it be introduced and how will it be manufactured. These are all great answers to a concern someone from the audience might have.
But what is the concern to which the second robot is the answer for? Did you doubt even for a second their ability to make the same robot you can already see on the stage but in blue? Because i didn’t. Not before they shown the static demonstration. If they just said “we are working on a production optimised, and streamlined v2” i would have totaly accepted that they can do it.
The only message the second non-working robot communicates is that they are having trouble with their production model. They couldn’t even make it stand in one spot and wave politely! Something is cooked with it and badly. It adds nothing positive to the message of the presentation while introduces the very visible sign that something is wrong.
Now, do I think they won’t be able to solve the problems eventually? Of course not. Heck maybe it will be up and running within days. But why show something which is not working? It is such an unforced error. The first robot could have just done the dance then pointed at the screen and then walked out and nothing would have been less about the whole presentation.
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krisoft•1mo ago
Sure. It is not a mistake with grave consequences. Something can be a mistake and not matter much in the long run. Like the CEO could have went on stage wearing mismatched shoes, or wearing a red clown nose. It wouldn't ruin everything. Wouldn't bankrupt them. If the robots are good they will be still sold. But it would just undermine the message a little bit. For no good reason whatsoever.
The fundamental questions will be: Do the robots work? Are they cheaper than the equivalent labour from humans? (including all costs on both sides of the comparison.) Nothing else matters in the long run. They could have just never went to CES and it would be all the same.
> Im sorry, but this is just too much.
ok :) if you say so. But then tell me. What did the stage presence of the second robot add to the show?
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renewiltord•1mo ago
# Initial robot tai-chis towards the right of the video
# This is a stage act that "cues up" the second robot
# One can expect that this "ta-da" moment will have the presented robot do something
# Instead, the presented robot stands there doing nothing
# We have statues that are hundreds of years old easily accessible. Hence a new statue is not interesting
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rasz•1mo ago
>"We just couldn't pry the actual production samples out of our engineers hands at the lab this week. "
sounds like "Our CEO ordered samples to be shipped but those pesky engineers just wouldnt do it guys!"
>"Um, so we're going to be showing you videos"
Except they didnt even show videos, just some bad CGI aka "We rented this huge ass auditorium to show you our pet. Golden elephant is currently in our basement, he is tired right now so instead look at all those cool drawings my nephew made"!