Also, I think it was a mistake switching street lamps over to cool color tones, something that happened amid the clean energy push.
I believe this was a combination of coincidence (newer lighting technologies just happening to be a cooler white) and other intent (cooler light being supposed to keep you awake). I'd say the connection to clean energy is strenuous at best.
Also there are AFAIK various initiatives to go to more yellow LED lighting.
This is hard to discuss without context: country, big city, town/village, and freeway.
Big city driving: in a well-lit city, one could almost get by with just the position lights on. I say almost because of 1. driving in unusually dark areas and 2. regular headlights project light at a good angle to catch reflection off of cyclists. My point is that not much light is needed. Also, anyone driving in the city with their high-beams or fog lights on should be ticketed at an increasing rate.
town/village is roughly the same as a big city, but with less public lighting and fewer marked crossings. So, basically, this is just a reasonable low bean scenario. I'd argue that setting up for this situation and accepting it for the big city is good enough.
Country driving: bright and wide. Doing 80-100 km/h+ in the country and I want to see far and wide. Great use of high beams. Auto high beams do not function well enough to respect other drivers and drivers seems to have forgotten what it means when someone flashes their high beams. I attribute that to ignorant/lazy/entitled drivers
freeway: Need to be able see directly ahead and be visible to other drivers. Low beams when other are around, high beams when no one is in front of me and the road isn't lit.
Trucks vs cars: As we all know, headlights on trucks are too high compared to small cars. While this can be mitigated by not looking directly at the lights. A problem with this: If I'm at an intersection and there is a truck with bright lights that I am trying not to look at, I miss the immediate area near the truck with a possible pedestrian. Plus the contrast of the bright lights hides dark pedestrians. My quick Chat GPT'ing says that physically lowering the lights would not decrease the effectiveness of retroreflectors, so mounting the lights lower seems like a good option. There could even be separate high beams that are mounted physically higher when needed.
We all know this is bad and we just can't work together to get something done. Not to mention that even if there are new standards, it would take 10+ years for them to really matter because of the existing cars on the roads.
At least in my neck of the woods, it seems like lighting enforcement has gone from slim to none. I regularly see vehicles with only one of three brake lights functioning... and sometimes I've seen the same vehicle with the same lighting issue for several months.
If there's no enforcement on vehicle lighting from behind, there's definitely not going to be much on the front lighting, because an officer would need to see the lighting, turn around and give chase. Well, that or inspections, but the vast majority doesn't want inspections because they cost money.
All that said, what's the problem with fog lights? They're not actually useful, but they don't present a safety hazard and it's always fun to wonder how long a car has had one fog light out, and if they'll figure out how to turn the fog lights off before the other one burns out.
This does not influence the behavior of oncoming traffic with high-beams on, whether due to ignorance, entitlement, or because their low-beams are burnt out and they can't be bothered, or afford to replace them.
It's also not legal to do what I do, so it's ironic that I'm probably at higher risk for ticketing for not driving with headlights than people with high-beams or broken lights (to be fair not a lot of people get ticketed for basic violations in STL city).
I do wish I could have them angled down on demand, or follow a set level point regardless of vehicle tilt (like on hills, speedbumps, etc). They do have a feature where the lights steer into the direction of travel, if only they did that vertically too.
I helped.
Ida know, can someone comment on whether that actually does reduce noise in whatever information is needed to drive safely?
Age progressively adds deposits in the lenses in your eyes, and at some point cataract surgery replaces the lens with a clear one.
Thing is, these deposits work like a dirty windshield in sunlight - you can't see because of the glare. The glare is just off-axis light hitting a surface and scattering - it illuminates the entire surface reducing contrast.
The more deposits and/or the brighter the light, the more it behaves like an completely fogged windshield.
(there is also another kind of glare that affects young eyes - a very bright point of light can cause pain in the retina where it focuses)
teeray•19h ago
potato3732842•19h ago
The whole situation reeks of the kind of thing that'll be mostly solved with technological progress over time (one of the german makes already has something that exempts a car in front of you from having the LEDs focused on it, I assume development is ongoing) and it really just remains to be seen if we get some law (which probably won't be decisive since this is a fairly subjective issue with no "obvious" answer) along the way.
alphabettsy•18h ago
GM vehicles had been notorious for having poorly adjusted headlights from the factory. The fact that Xenon systems seemed to always come with auto leveling and LED often does not is crazy.
teeray•16h ago
Stuffing ever more controllers, cameras, and sensors in there to focus and aim LEDs just sounds like the most over-engineered solution to this problem imaginable. The dealers are just going to love all the income from repairing all these points of failure. All for what gain? Yes, yes, “safety,” I know. Consider, though, that as drivers feel more comfortable on the road with their white dwarves, they are likely going to drive faster and more recklessly. It’s the same as American Football helmets switching away from leather—the hits get harder.
potato3732842•16h ago
I agree it's all overcomplicated bullshit in order to polish another percent or two out of the turd but the overcomplicated bullshit is already in the field so why not write software that uses it a little better?
>Consider, though, that as drivers feel more comfortable on the road with their white dwarves, they are likely going to drive faster and more recklessly. It’s the same as American Football helmets switching away from leather—the hits get harder.
Faster when adjusted for equivalent safety sounds like a good thing to me.
mitthrowaway2•16h ago
eqvinox•15h ago
> one of the german makes already has something that exempts a car in front of you
… and this technology does not have that level of efficacy, and neither do any of the others.
estimator7292•10h ago
The issue is not the technology or the absolute brightness of a bulb.
The problem is that replacement bulbs have a different beam pattern and the headlight mount needs to be adjusted. That's it.
In the vast majority of cases, car headlights are blinding simply because they're aimed too high. On most(all?) vehichles there is an adjustment mechanism under the hood. Problem is it takes special tools and procedures that nobody knows or cares about.
As a sibling commenter said, we've managed to survive for the better part of a century with toggleable high beams. This isn't a complicated problem.