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Show HN: Freenet alpha, a drop-in decentralized replacement for the web

6•sanity•17h ago
We’ve been working on a new version of Freenet for the last couple of years. The original Freenet dates back to the early 2000s; this is a ground-up rewrite in Rust and is intended as a general-purpose platform for building decentralized systems.

The alpha has been running since shortly before Christmas and has been gradually stabilized over the last few weeks, though it is still definitely alpha quality.

Freenet is a decentralized key-value store where keys are WebAssembly contracts. These contracts define what values can be associated with a key and how those values are updated. Web applications can be distributed over Freenet and use it as a decentralized back end.

The main application at the moment is a decentralized group chat app called River, which serves as a concrete example of this model. It runs fully peer-to-peer, with no servers or federation, and is usable for real conversations between multiple peers.

The alpha also reports live network telemetry, which is exposed via a public dashboard. It shows peers joining, message traffic, and other network activity in real time.

Getting started should be fairly quick. There’s a one-page quickstart that installs a local peer as a service on Mac or Linux and lets you join the network in a few minutes.

Links: Quickstart: https://freenet.org/quickstart/

Live telemetry dashboard: http://nova.locut.us:3133/

General info: https://freenet.org/

FAQ: https://freenet.org/faq/

Comments

pamcake•16h ago
> The original Freenet dates back to the early 2000s

Oh so both are called Freenet again? Or is this a new third project? For a while some people were adamant in refering to the original (which still lives but I believe is incompatible?) as Hyphanet. What happened with Locutus? It seemed promising.

pamcake•15h ago
This is mentioned in the FAQ; https://freenet.org/faq/#why-was-freenet-rearchitected-and-r...

So I guess this is still Locutus, which is the New FreeNet, related to Original FreeNet (by now rebranded to Hyphanet) in name only.

sanity•14h ago
Good question, this has understandably been confusing.

They’re two distinct pieces of software created by the same project. The original Freenet dates back to the early 2000s and focused heavily on anonymity. In 2023 it was spun out into its own project and renamed Hyphanet. The two systems are very different and not compatible.

Work on a clean-slate successor started in 2019 under the internal name Locutus. That codebase rethinks the design from the ground up, based on lessons from running the original Freenet for many years and with different tradeoffs.

After the split in 2023, Locutus was renamed back to Freenet. What’s being shown here is that newer Freenet.

There’s a longer history and rationale in the FAQ if you want more detail: https://freenet.org/faq/#what-is-the-projects-history

pamcake•15h ago
If you don't mind, what would you say are the missing pieces (if any) before I should feel confident moving family chat to River?

I think answer to this will be very helpful in understanding the state of the project and how we can contribute.

sanity•14h ago
Freenet-core itself isn’t stable enough to rely on for something like family chat, and River is still missing some important operational pieces. In particular, there isn’t a smooth or robust way yet to handle things like updating the room contract, which is the decentralized part that defines membership and state. That makes recovery from mistakes or bugs harder than it should be.

That said, a lot of progress has been made recently. Stability has improved noticeably even over the past couple of weeks, and most of the remaining issues are about hardening and ergonomics rather than fundamental design problems.

I’m hesitant to give timelines, but my expectation is weeks rather than months before River is something I’d personally feel comfortable recommending for non-technical use. In the meantime, feedback from people trying it, especially around rough edges or failure cases, is very helpful.

pamcake•3h ago
That you don't mention NAT punching or discovery as outstanding is encouraging - that seems to be the hard part where others fall so if that's in a workable state and the project resists the allure of centralizing control ("streamlining" updates for that contract, say), I'm sure the rest will follow! Even if it's months not weeks in the end.

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