"The agent who shot a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday was pulled about 100 yards by a car last year while firing a stun gun at the driver."
So, this is a trend.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ICE_Raids/comments/1q7u4kz/ice_agen...
https://www.reddit.com/r/minnesota/comments/1q7y43s/cbp_poin...
The moderate position for future liberal candidates is now the full dissolution of ICE.
The more radical position - which is rapidly gaining support - is the arrest and prosecution of everyone involved in this administration. Starting with the president but including his cabinet and the oligarchs who spent the last year fomenting corruption and enriching themselves.
One side of the political aisle in this country is screaming about how violent the other side is, while they are committing murder and telling us that our eyes are lying to us.
Gonna be a fun decade ahead
“Sir, stop resisting. I gave you a lawful order”
“Sir, sir, BANG BANG”
“I feared for my life”
It’s like a pitbull, right? It’s right there most of the time. Then one day it eats a baby. But you kind of knew it had baby eating ready to go. It’s sitting there ready to eat babies. Just a question of when. Then the baby gets eaten and you’re upset. But most people just stay away from the baby eater.
One day you’re walking down the street and your baby gets eaten. Justifiable? No. Your fault? Also no. But there’s baby eaters out there. Such is life.
https://www.hrw.org/news/2025/07/23/india-hundreds-of-muslim...
> authorities forced another 40 Rohingya refugees into the sea near Myanmar, giving them life jackets and making them swim to shore
> the police raided his home, seized his mobile phone, and tore up his identity documents, which were proof of his (Indian) citizenship. They then flew him in a BSF plane (…) Sheikh said he was forced to cross into Bangladesh with eight others.
There is one department that's similar to ICE, the riot police called Rosgvardia (Russian Guard), which is anti-mass-protest force. When it was created, they hired all the normal police drop-outs, the worst. But they only carry batons.
The real issue with human rights in Russia is in courts and law application, and inside prisons, out of public eye.
People voted for this.
Oh but hey, we at least made sure to pretend to save money by firing and then rapidly rehiring a lot of the workforce.
Groups that aid and support immigrants are doing a service that benefits America and all Americans; we should give them money so they can continue to help.
Immigration is of benefit to most nations; we are no different. But if and when you call immigrants illegal aliens, you're removing an important distinction and distorting reality.
Have you ever seen an immigration application? Ever examined the regulations that legal immigrants must navigate?
Legal immigration is a quagmire, but some would rather turn away from the swamp rather than drain it; some would like to pretend that immigration is the same thing as invasion, to justify the lazy approach that groups everyone together in an alien blur.
Gruber needs an identity that isn't conjoined at the hip with fascist enablers. His insecurity is palpable.
Will somebody vouch for this? I know what you're thinking. This doesn't encourage curiosity! This is politics! Same old, same old.
HN! Come on, how myopic must you be to not see that a working democracy is a condition sine qua non of your dear curiosity. You see what's happening in Iran, right? Well, they don't!
Put your glasses on, HN, you're not seeing shit.
> Will somebody vouch for this?
It's a false dichotomy and this mode of black/white thinking is everywhere online. Unless you agree 100% with every single atom and detail of >THING X<, you are automatically the enemy and literally Adolf Hitler.
Had a similar discussion in the thread for the hacker doxxing conservative dating sites: while I disagree with white supremacists I still think doxxing people online is wrong (for both sides).
And for Gruber's article: I don't think HN is the place to discuss US local politics coverage, let alone through a poster that reviews Apple software and hardware most of his time.
I can still think this && what happened to that woman is horrible.
I can still think that doxxing political opponents is wrong && that white supremacists have no place in 2026.
The exceptions.
I think we're seeing some extraordinary events irl that the HN community and moderators are dealing with organically. Exceptions are being made; eventually the rules of thumbs will return to prominence.
The stance this site has taken while things like this happen outside the very doors is shameful.
These people are animals. They should be in chains in front of a tribunal, not running the country. And they dare call themselves Christians?
UPD. Found the one from the article https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9CJY5p0xz4
I'm not sure of the outcome of the case. The vehicle did start driving toward the person with the gun before the shot was fired. 0:14.5 vs 0:16
After watching the full video it is clear ramming wasn't the intent, but in the moment I can see how that would be questionable. Especially considering "The agent who shot a woman in Minneapolis on Wednesday was pulled about 100 yards by a car last year while firing a stun gun at the driver."
It's not quite as clear cut as I thought as the car maybe nudged the shooter but the driver had definitely turned the steering away from him and was trying to miss him and get away. Also the car's direction didn't change after the shots were fired and it didn't come close to running over the shooter.
The WaPo article seems quite good https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/08/vid...
I've found the reaction from most people in the US horrifying since the "grab em by the pussy" days...
“The real power, the power we have to fight for night and day, is not power over things, but over men.” He paused, and for a moment assumed again his air of a schoolmaster questioning a promising pupil: “How does one man assert his power over another, Winston?”
Winston thought. “By making him suffer,” he said.
“Exactly. By making him suffer. Obedience is not enough. Unless he is suffering, how can you be sure that he is obeying your will and not his own? Power is in inflicting pain and humiliation. Power is in tearing human minds to pieces and putting them together again in new shapes of your own choosing. Do you begin to see, then, what kind of world we are creating?[...]”"
1984.
And most animals typically act much less indiscriminately violent than we do.
Hacker culture and fascism are antithetical, and we should all be acutely aware when the current regime moves towards violence to squash dissent.
https://reason.com/2026/01/08/you-have-the-right-to-record-i...
> The Trump Administration Says It's Illegal To Record Videos of ICE. Here's What the Law Says.
> Violence is anything that threatens them and their safety, so it is doxing them, it's videotaping them where they're at when they're out on operations," Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said.
So he is right to think she might have been shot for doing this.
edit: note that's a libertarian source. They've always had a strain of civil libertarians on that publication but the comments on the site reveal a lot of libertarians now think it's a good thing that white liberal women are being shot.
Identity politics is at the core of conservativism and what ever is good for, or part of your group or yourself is just by nature and good for society. This tribalistic bias skews your reasoning, because we apes have evolved to sustain our own group or ourself. As social animals, we have externalized our self-preservative drive onto the tribe we live in and this bias drives libertarians to these comments and why there is such a significant overlap between religion, racists (group oriented) but also libertarians (individual oriented), etc. The big political divide is between people who are more vulnerable to such identity based biases and people who are lesser so.
Because someone is filming, it is okay for a federal agent to execute their partner ?
I'm not sure I understand.
She accelerated first, the ICE officer was hit, and then the officer defended himself. He prevented his own murder by the woman in the Missouri-plated Honda.
It might not be the WAPO approved order of events, but that’s what the video shows.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2026/01/08/vid...
It might not be the WAPO approved order of events, but that’s what the video shows.
I am not american, I have no skin in the game. But to me, the ICE agents were never really threatened. I would not be afraid for my life if I were in this situation.
What I do understand, is the panic a person could have felt if masked ICE agents with weapons came their way.
I do not understand why it has to be a partizan issue. What I see, is a federal agent murdering an innocent US citizen. How is this not a bad thing for both sides ?
I am honestly trying to understand.
EdwardDiego•17h ago