But we're already living in a world where US Senators and Supreme Court Justices have had to have security provided because of death threats from both sides of the aisle. We don't need to be encouraging vigilantes. No side is so noble that people can't do evil in its name.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/13/ice-using-private-d...
I'd settle for the middle-ground law enforcement can't wear masks and cover their agency/badge number (or use fake plates)
Extreme powers has to come with extreme responsibility, they are heavily armed and also using their cars to ram people on purpose, they don't have to follow rules because they know no-one knows who they are
By analogy: No amount of polite words will make Russia leave Ukraine. Killing every Russian in Ukraine probably won't do it either. And precise targeting of just the drone sources in Russia isn't feasible.
Blowing to smithereens Russian fuel depots inside their cities? That will negatively impact, probably even kill, innocent Russian citizens. So, definitely a kind of "wrong"... that is necessary to end the war.
We learn from history. These people don't get to terrorize our communities without pushback; no amount of finger-wagging will change this. (To be clear, I do not advocate violence, death threats, etc. But their little cosplay masks will not protect their anonymity. Let their friends and neighbors find out who they really are -- maybe they will feel shame for once.)
And if they can’t be?
But let’s be clear, it’s not a few bad apples. ICE by design is operating outside the law.
The videos are endless, people outside their homes on a walk questioned and threatened with arrest if they do not produce ID, face scanned and so on:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Minneapolis/comments/1qbawlr/minnea...
They’ve blocked off whole neighborhoods going door to door questioning people.
Let alone the videos of drive by pepper spray, drawing their weapons on people, shoving people to the ground…
These aren’t one off events. This is everyday in Minneapolis.
When the policing and justice system fails the people, mob rule is (sadly, imperfectly, but obviously) the only means of redress.
Successful, prolonged mob rule is called "revolution", and considered completely legitimate, ironically.
Which led them to eventually refuse to continue oppressing their people for money, the revolution, independance, all that.
I kinda see connections, don't you ?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/personal-details-of-thousands-...
Does this mean you imagine them beyond the law?
One definition:
"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian political ideology centered on a powerful dictator, extreme nationalism, and the nation's interests above the individual, suppressing opposition through force, propaganda, and control over society, business, and labor, often promoting militarism and a strong, unified national identity."
Note that "citizens doxxing government actors" is not in any way an ingredient of fascism.
You cannot give anything to fascists, we know what they do, history is there, they didn't change, they're doing exactly the same thing.
busterarm•3w ago
Regardless of what your feelings on ICE enforcement are...
phs318u•3w ago
Let’s try your comment in 1938 Germany. Replace the word ICE with Gestapo.
ck2•3w ago
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/jan/13/trump-admini...
from a federal government agency heavily armed against unarmed non-violent protestors
absolutely terrifying but that's the point I guess?
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busterarm•3w ago
The whole freedom-fighting hacker thing came about later, mostly from the 2600 and BBS crowd as a self-aggrandizement despite all of the laws that they were breaking: mainly related to use of telephone lines, wire & mail fraud, drug use/trafficing and age of consent violations.
You're literally trying to tell me about my own tribe and you don't have the slightest clue.
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boston_clone•3w ago
obviously, you’re free to use whatever words you like, but your clinging to outdated terminology and being perpetually misunderstood is not a failure of other people.
busterarm•3w ago
Words have meaning.
Also my usage very much matches early "computer hackers" in a cultural sense. If I was just going off of the word origin itself we'd be talking about horse and carriage drivers...
boston_clone•3w ago
busterarm•3w ago
If I said "prototypical automobile", I can only really be talking about a Ford Model T. I couldn't be talking about a 60s Mustang, no matter their popularity/familiarity.
boston_clone•3w ago
"denoting the first, original, or typical form of something".
An example: "the phone emerged as the prototypical example of point-to-point communication".
The usage of "prototypical hacker" by tastyface above fits neatly in the "typical form", while you're using the "original form".