US, for first time in 50 years, experienced negative net migration in 2025

https://abcnews.go.com/US/us-1st-time-50-years-experienced-negative-net/story?id=129175522

48•pqtyw•1h ago

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mothballed•32m ago

I wonder what the emigrating demographics look like. I have looked more into emigration lately as my demographic is 'replaced' and productive workers are increasingly used as fodder for parasitic attacks in favor of the ever growing benefits towards the non-productive class. The USA is increasingly becoming a place where it is best to be either be either a rich capital holder or to own nothing and get ~everything provided as long as you pop out enough kids or meet the right benefits criteria.

If you're in the middle getting squeezed you can earn more in places like Singapore or Dubai and at lower taxation rates, and the immigration scheme might be fairly simple. If you're going to live under the whims of an insane ruler you might as well get the upsides of such monarchy like you do in places like Dubai. 'Free' speech and easy access to guns are basically the only remaining gambit USA has to offer me that ~nowhere else does.

lovich•27m ago

Brah, you are just straight up reprehensible with your views

kuttel2•11m ago

Right!? I can't believe it's current year and this bigot doesn't want his country overrun with foreigners or to have a middle class lifestyle unattainable for the average man. Discusting!

afavour•26m ago

> get ~everything provided as long as you pop out enough kids or meet the right benefits criteria

You’ve been huffing way too much right wing propaganda. “Welfare queens” have been a boogeyman for decades.

mothballed•21m ago

I would agree that social security recipients tend to be the biggest welfare queens. They paid a bunch of people that are now dead. And think because they "paid into" one group of dead people, that now living other people now owe them. An exercise in the logic of the insane, but yet the veneer that holds up the fiction.

It's a broke and bankrupt system, a wise person might jump the ship well before that happens.

Centigonal•18m ago

> It's a broke and bankrupt system, a wise person might jump the ship well before that happens.

so... tax evasion or renunciation?

afavour•17m ago

> They paid a bunch of people that are now dead

No, they didn’t:

https://apnews.com/article/social-security-payments-deceased...

You desperately need to diversify your media diet.

mothballed•15m ago

... thhat is not what I'm saying. Im describing the system by which social security bizarrely says a different person owes you because you paid someone else, most of which will be dead by the time you 'draw' it 'back'.

e40•12m ago

Why is this bizarre? And the dead person doesn't "owe" anyone. The dead person paid into the fund, which is what pays people.

mothballed•9m ago

The dead person paid other dead people that died before them, why would that establish a debt from me to them? If the dead person got their SS back from the even deader people before them that they previously paid, I'd agree they were merely paid back what they paid into them.

landl0rd•13m ago

I believe he's referring to the fact that social security, despite being billed as essentially a "retirement account" type program where e.g. silent gen paid in and got out roughly the same amount, it functions more like a ponzi scheme.

This is a consequence of the fact that, when the program was instituted, Roosevelt wanted to immediately start paying out to some people. So, boomers (very large generation) paid for their parents (relatively much smaller generation, meaning small per-person bill).

Now millennials and zoomers (relatively smaller generations) are expected to pay for boomers (much larger per-person bill). Between that, the incredible spending of medicare, and the federal propping-up of the housing market, a huge proportion of the economy has been dedicated to wealth transfer to the olds, an unproductive class who will be gone soon anyhow.

renewiltord•5m ago

Yeah, “the science” has “found no evidence” for lots of things. And proven a lot of falsehoods. People are still walking around bullshitting bogus “The Science”. The reality is that the snail darter wasn’t some unique experience. The standard is to create papers that reflect the interests of the scientists, and to lie if required.

liquidise•17m ago

People making both the "they are a draw on the system" and "they are taking all the jobs" arguments confuse me.

You can be anti-immigration, but you should pick one.

kuttel2•14m ago

Why? They aren't mutually exclusive.

antonymoose•5m ago

Well, depending on the state, you can come into illegally America and work for below-minimum wage under the table, have several children (legal citizens through birthright citizenship) and then attain benefits on behalf of those children who, on paper, live in a household with little or no income.

None of this is made up. I grew up with several friends that had this arrangement and later in life attained citizenship, usually through military service, and told me the reality of their upbringing. It’s a complex environment.

Quarrelsome•14m ago

moving to Dubai if you believe in the constitution is just odd. I guess some people like money more than the values of equity, liberty and democracy?

afavour•24m ago

A lot of Silicon Valley’s success is attributable to immigrants. Be careful what you wish for.

antonymoose•15m ago

Well, I initially had a snarky remark about Federal involvement in Silicon Valley but it seems that both Shockley and his Traitorous Eight were quite European in national origin.

observationist•13m ago

This is overhyped by a lot. A lot of SV grift is attributable to exploited immigrants, too, it's not like it's a city of moral champions.

H1B and other employment based immigration programs are some of the worst influences on the market, because people get screwed, wages suppressed for non immigrant workers, and the donor class for the uniparty are the ones paying for the status quo, and a big reason nothing ever gets fixed.

I'm not a big fan of defacto indentured servitude or a lot of the crap people end up saddled with under the schemes immigration middlemen and agencies come up with to skim off wages, take government funding, and other grifts.

I'm a big fan of success stories too, but those are almost always in spite of the immigration policies.

nitwit005•5m ago

I've always been curious if it matters as much as people claim, or if the funding will just go to someone else with a similar result. We'll get to see if this becomes the new normal.

antonymoose•18m ago

What happened 50 years ago to cause a major outflow?

bryanlarsen•16m ago

The text says "in at least half a century"; probably they just couldn't find data for further back.

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