I've said elsewhere on HN that the military (here, specifically a battalion of the 11th airborne, presumably picked because they actually have cold weather gear?) could turn out to be a far more congenial occupier than ICE currently is.
Note the two verbs, adjective, and adverb: "deescalate", "protect", "legal", and "legally"; does ICE operate as professionally?
> U.S forces responding to planned rallies and demonstrations, spontaneous crowds, and civil disturbances must follow the procedures best designed to deescalate crowd actions and to protect life, the rights and safety of the persons involved, and property.
> Commanders are legally and ethically accountable for the decisions they make or do not make, and for the actions, accomplishments, and failures of their subordinates.
EDIT: elsewhere I'd asked if the Soldier's Manual still (post 2002) includes the duty to disobey manifestly unlawful orders. I now guess that it does, as this duty is explicitly described on p.22 of FM-1 "THE ARMY: A PRIMER TO OUR PROFESSION OF ARMS" (01 May 2025).
vjvjvjvjghv•17m ago
Probably not with the current leadership.
mrtksn•5m ago
AFAIK countries that turn totalitarian often end up having alternative force directly under the regime control because the military is very strict in following rules and often non-partisan due to its composition and claim of high moral ground.
To enforce an ideology you need people whom identity is based around the ideology, they need to be losers, goons who don't have anything else for them going on.
Therefore the proper military can indeed be an attempt to de-escalate the situation.
LightBug1•10m ago
I think the USA needs a coup like the rest of the banana republics.
I've heard some very decent Generals speak recently about an America I remember.
Need to exit Don the Long Con Man with a Pong stage left and deport him to Greenland.
aebtebeten•52m ago
Note the two verbs, adjective, and adverb: "deescalate", "protect", "legal", and "legally"; does ICE operate as professionally?
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN35675-ATP_3-...
> U.S forces responding to planned rallies and demonstrations, spontaneous crowds, and civil disturbances must follow the procedures best designed to deescalate crowd actions and to protect life, the rights and safety of the persons involved, and property.
https://rdl.train.army.mil/catalog-ws/view/Army-Blue-Book/in...
> All Soldiers are required to obey the legal orders of their lawful seniors.
https://armypubs.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/ARN34403-ADP_6-...
> Commanders are legally and ethically accountable for the decisions they make or do not make, and for the actions, accomplishments, and failures of their subordinates.
EDIT: elsewhere I'd asked if the Soldier's Manual still (post 2002) includes the duty to disobey manifestly unlawful orders. I now guess that it does, as this duty is explicitly described on p.22 of FM-1 "THE ARMY: A PRIMER TO OUR PROFESSION OF ARMS" (01 May 2025).
vjvjvjvjghv•17m ago
mrtksn•5m ago
To enforce an ideology you need people whom identity is based around the ideology, they need to be losers, goons who don't have anything else for them going on.
Therefore the proper military can indeed be an attempt to de-escalate the situation.