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Ask HN: COBOL devs, how are AI coding affecting your work?

51•zkid18•1h ago
Curious to hear from anyone actively working with COBOL/mainframes. Do you see LLMs as a threat to your job security, or the opposite?

I feel that the mass of code that actually runs the economy is remarkably untouched by AI coding agents.

Comments

BoredPositron•1h ago
I am in banking and it's fine we have some finetuned models to work with our code base. I think COBOL is a good language for LLM use. It's verbose and English like syntax aligns naturally with the way language models process text. Can't complain.
zkid18•1h ago
What these models are doing - migrations, new feature releases, etc? What does your setup look like?
spicyusername•1h ago
I suspect they're doing whatever job needs to be done, as with models in any other language.

I also suspect they need a similar amount of hand holding and review.

fourside•55m ago
This is implied but I guess needs to be made explicit: people are looking for answers from devs with direct knowledge of the question at hand, not what random devs suspect.
repelsteeltje•20m ago
Can you elaborate? See questions about what kind of use in sibling thread.

And in addition to the type of development you are doing in COBOL, I'm wondering if you also have used LLMs to port existing code to (say) Java, C# or whatever is current in (presumably) banking?

roschdal•1h ago
No humans understand COBOL, no AI understand COBOL.
ndr•58m ago
Does anyone understand anything?
qubex•56m ago
Never met this ‘anyone’ person or seen any of this ‘anything’ stuff.
Ygg2•9m ago
Damn, then Rust is safe from AI :D

No one understands it either.

edarchis•1h ago
Not COBOL but I sometimes have to maintain a large ColdFusion app. The early LLMs were pretty bad at it but these days, I can let AI write code and I "just" review it.

I've also used AI to convert a really old legacy app to something more modern. It works surprisingly well.

brightball•57m ago
Heard an excellent COBOL talk this summer that really helped me to understand it. The speaker was fairly confident that COBOL wasn't going away anytime soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RM7Q7u0pZyQ&list=PLxeenGqMmm...

m3h_hax0r•52m ago
I wonder if the OP's question is motivated by there being less public examples of COBOL code to train LLM's on compared to newer languages (so a different experience is expected), or something else. If the prior, it'd be interesting to see if having a language spec and a few examples leads to even better results from an LLM, since less examples could also mean less bad examples that deviate from the spec :) if there are any dev's that use AI with COBOL and other more common languages, please share your comparative experience
OGWhales•49m ago
I've not found it that great at programming in cobol, at least in comparison to its ability with other languages it seems to be noticeably worse, though we aren't using any models that were specifically trained on cobol. It is still useful for doing simple and tedious tasks, for example constructing a file layout based on info I fed it can be a time saver, otherwise I feel it's pretty limited by the necessary system specifics and really large context window needed to understand what is actually going on in these systems. I do really like being able to feed it a whole manual and let it act as a sort of advanced find. Working in a mainframe environment often requires looking for some obscure info, typically in a large PDF that's not always easy to find what you need, so this is pretty nice.
deaddodo•12m ago
AI isn’t particularly great with C, Zig, or Rust either in my experience. It can certainly help with snippets of code and elucidate complex bitwise mathematics, and I’ll use it for those tedious tasks. And it’s a great research assistant, helping with referencing documentation. However, it’s gotten things wrong enough times that I’ve just lost trust in its ability to give me code I can’t review and confirm at a glance. Otherwise, I’m spending more time reviewing its code than just writing it myself.
0xCE0•45m ago
I really wouldn't want any vibe-coded COBOL in my bank db/app logic...
null_deref•40m ago
Does the use AI always implies slope and vibe coding? I’m really not sure
jebarker•26m ago
No, it doesn't. For example, you could use an AI agent just to aid you in code search and understanding or for filling out well specified functions which you then do QA on.
sarchertech•13m ago
You 100% can use it this way. But it takes a lot of discipline to keep the slop out of the code base. The same way it took discipline to keep human slop out.

There has always been a class of devs who throw things at the wall and see what sticks. They copy paste from other parts of the application, or from stack overflow. They write half assed tests or no tests at all and they try their best to push it thought the review process with pleas about how urgent it is (there are developers on the opposite side of this spectrum who are also bad).

The new problem is that this class of developer is the exact kind of developer who AI speeds up the most, and they are the most experienced at getting shit code through review.

egorfine•7m ago
vibecoding != AI.

For example: I'm a senior dev, I use AI extensively but I fully understand and vet every single line of code I push. No exceptions. Not even in tests.

zmfmfmddl•44m ago
The point about the mass of code running the economy being untouched by AI agents is so real. During my years as a developer, I've often faced the skepticism surrounding automation technologies, especially when it comes to legacy languages like COBOL. There’s a perception that as AI becomes more capable, it might threaten specialized roles. However, I believe that the intricacies and context of legacy systems often require human insight that AI has yet to master fully.

I logged my fix for this here: https://thethinkdrop.blogspot.com/2026/01/agentic-automation...

pjmlp•36m ago
I would assert this is affecting all programming languages, this is like the transition from Assembly to high level languages.

Who thinks otherwise, even if LLMs are still a bit dumb today, is fooling themselves.

Wuiserous•31m ago
I see it as a complete opposite for sure, I will tell you why.

it could have been a threat if it was something you cannot control, but you can control it, you can learn to control it, and controlling it in the right direction would enable anyone to actually secure your position or even advance it.

And, about the COBOL, well i dont know what the heck this is.

andy99•14m ago
There was a COBOL LLM eval benchmark published a few years ago, looks like it hasn’t been maintained: https://github.com/zorse-project/COBOLEval

At least I think that’s the repo, there was an HN discussion at the time but the link is broken now: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39873793

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