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Report Claims iPhone 18 Pro Camera Will Get Major Sensor Upgrade

https://xthe.com/news/iphone-18-pro-camera-leak/
1•Sandhyaseo•47s ago•0 comments

Anyone want to share their developer onboarding horror stories?

https://calendly.com/benjamin-martin-prismic/15min
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So you want to get into electronics?

https://dmytroengineering.com/content/write-ups/so-you-want-to-get-into-electronics
1•vitalnodo•1m ago•0 comments

The Hidden Engineering of Runways

https://practical.engineering/blog/2026/1/20/the-hidden-engineering-of-runways
2•crescit_eundo•3m ago•0 comments

Explainable Query Tagging (NLP)

https://emiruz.com/post/2026-01-17-qu-tagger/
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The Empathy of Instructions

https://seths.blog/2026/01/the-empathy-of-instructions/
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Benchmarking OpenTelemetry: Can AI trace your failed login?

https://quesma.com/blog/introducing-otel-bench/
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Could ChatGPT convince you to buy something? AI gears up to sell ads

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The Unix Pipe Card Game

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WebAssembly Clouds: The World After Containers

https://wasmer.io/posts/wasm-clouds-the-world-after-containers
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Updated Debian 13: 13.3 released

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Help Less, AI Powered Autocomplete in Bash and Zsh

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Canada's Military Has Modeled Hypothetical US Invasion

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-01-20/canada-s-military-has-modeled-hypothetical-us-...
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Orb and the End of Enterprise Software

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Controlling the Wizzard

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Self-healing nuclear fuel could improve safety, reduce waste in reactors

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Attention Media ≠ Social Media

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What to do about students using ChatGPT to do their homework?

https://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2026/01/what-to-do-about-students-using-chatgpt.html
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Go-Native Durable Execution

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1•hmaxdml•17m ago•0 comments
Open in hackernews

Danish pension fund divesting US Treasuries

https://www.reuters.com/business/danish-pension-fund-divest-its-us-treasuries-2026-01-20/
324•mythical_39•1h ago

Comments

adrr•1h ago
What happens when USD stops becoming the the reserve currency for the world? And who takes its place?
petcat•1h ago
That would never happen until the US Navy ceases to be effective globally.
deadbabe•1h ago
Confidently wrong.
sonotathrowaway•1h ago
You mean like how the Houthi’s unilaterally decided to shut down Red Sea shipping and the US Navy is still powerless to restore it?
petcat•1h ago
That's regional politics. Nothing to do with the superiority of one navy over another
estearum•1h ago
What? The Houthis shutting down a major global shipping route and the US openly giving up on restoring it is not "regional politics."
Mordisquitos•57m ago
The dollar being the reserve currency is international finance. Nothing to do with the superiority of one navy over another.
CamperBob2•54m ago
Navies appear to be obsolete (edit: I'll exempt ballistic missile subs from this statement, though.) You don't even need a navy of your own to sink another country's navy these days.

When $100M in armaments can take out a $10000M carrier, it's time to rethink things.

epistasis•1h ago
What is the theory of how the US Navy keeps the dollar the reserve currency, when the US has made itself a pariah state? What mechanism? Would the US Navy be doing piracy and demand protection money in dollars? Piracy payoffs would be a far far lower demand for dollars than there currently is and, and also greatly reduce all other trade with the US, further reducing demand for US dollars.

Really curious what your reasoning is here.

mythical_39•1h ago
I saw an interesting article about plumbing problems on one of our aircraft carriers.

https://www.npr.org/2026/01/17/nx-s1-5680167/major-plumbing-...

actionfromafar•52m ago
The argument made like that is an original argument bent backwards. The argument was that the US Navy guaranteed open shipping lanes and kept Pax Americana. Now we get closed shipping lanes and Bellum Americanum.
jansper39•48m ago
If the US pisses enough countries off with this Greenland stuff that they shut down US bases around the world, that substantially curtails the US Navy's ability to be effective globally.
sekai•41m ago
> That would never happen until the US Navy ceases to be effective globally.

US Navy would have have no parking spots left in Europe if they try to annex Greenland.

basilgohar•1h ago
The US starts more wars until its eventual complete collapse. See The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire. We're operating out of a playbook for imperial destruction word for word.
drstewart•1h ago
"History buffs" that literally only know the Roman Empire and Hitler should probably try expand their purview.
saubeidl•1h ago
I think Qing dynasty China might be a better fit.
woooooo•46m ago
Qing suffered a century of unequal treaties before they fell, they were the bullied and not the bully. (They were also medieval and isolationist which further hurts the comparison IMO).
cratermoon•1h ago
France and most of the European imperialists before the first world war.
shermantanktop•58m ago
That’s the manly history that appeals to men! Men of masculinity.
CamperBob2•56m ago
What are some better parallels? Seriously, no snark, please throw out some suggestions for reading. I can't think of any other country that has done this to itself.
WarmWash•1h ago
The dollar sucks but everything else is worse.
vdupras•1h ago
Hey, it's nice that you came in signed up to HN to cheer for the USD. I think it's going to be needed to change the overall sentiment.
pixelpoet•59m ago
Yep, nothing signals stability and genuine sentiment like a bunch of brand new accounts swooping in and touting the strength of the dollar.

HN seems totally fine with this behaviour too, also super reassuring.

woooooo•45m ago
HN trusts the community by giving us green text for the new accounts.
LunaSea•54m ago
The USD dollar sank -10% this last year versus the euro.
drstewart•50m ago
The Euro sank -10% this last year versus the Zambian Kwacha
causalscience•39m ago
Zambia doesn't actually matter though.
drstewart•6m ago
Yet it's a stronger performing currency
jimnotgym•1h ago
My guess would be EUR takes its place, gold will also be used more. I guess what happens is USD gets much weaker and US buying power goes down. Maybe destroying the USD will eventually cause the boost to domestic manufacturing that Trump wanted, since foreign goods will be out of reach. Cut down the forest to kill a squirrel. I'm no expert though
throwway120385•1h ago
There will never be a boost to domestic manufacturing without some kind of investment. The booms of the 1950's and 1960's were a result of massive government spending in the 1930's and 1940's building a bunch of capacity and researching novel manufacturing techniques and building new tools. If we don't have the morale for that we will simply stop having as many things.
dpc050505•43m ago
It also included a bunch of women joining the workforce, an enormous baby-boom and brown people acquiring the freedom and prosperity necessary to become consumers. Demographics are always the fundamental driver of economic movements.
shermantanktop•1h ago
Historically, gold’s day in the sun is always juuust around the corner, right after the disastrous collapse that never quite arrives.

Now that we really do have a destructive realignment underway, maybe gold will actually be useful again. I doubt it, but I’m no currency expert.

diggyhole•1h ago
Two words: Fart Coin
fisherjeff•54m ago
As much as it pains me to say it, this is a plausible answer in 2026
neilwilson•1h ago
We finally realise there is no such thing as a “reserve currency” in the floating exchange rate era and that the concept is a long dead hangover from fixed exchange rates.

And that’s definitely going to upset the gold bugs.

(In reality lots of things are held in reserve)

USD is a routing currency that is used because it is cheaper than the mesh alternative. When it stops being cheaper whoever is then cheapest will get the routing transactions.

Archelaos•1h ago
The share of the USD as a reserve currency has already been slowly declining over the last decade, although it is all but dramatic. The reduction is not in favour of another particular currency. Instead, the proportion of minor currencies is increasing. Here is a diagram for the years 2016 to 2023: https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/232562/umfrag...
shimman•1h ago
Look up something called "dedollarization," it's been talked about in academic circles for quite some time and now more mainstream institutions are discussing it more too.
KPGv2•55m ago
Yes, in my undergrad government policy classes twenty years ago, we were talking about a "basket of currencies" that would replace the USD as the global reserve.
NoboruWataya•1h ago
I doubt it would be replaced by a single global reserve currency. More likely there would be a handful of currencies that perform a similar role (USD, EUR, CNY, maybe some others) and which you primarily use depends on whose sphere of influence you are in.
Ekaros•1h ago
Probably some type of balanced trade. Holding each trade partners currency and balancing it at times. Or even between multiple holders and currency pairs.

If there is need you can now build very complicated systems as everything is digital anyway.

Maybe stable coins would be finally useful. Each currency has own stable coin and then they are automatically traded in massive market... /s

tinfoilhatter•1h ago
The petrodollar (a product of Kissinger) has been in collapse since Saudi Arabia began divesting from it.

We've been printing pretend money for quite some time, and supressing the value of precious metals (which is why you're now seeing silver bullion sell for $100+ an ounce). Copper is also selling out now.

These precious metals are extremely valuable because they're used to manufacture all of the technology consumers and nation states rely on daily. We're going to see a regression towards mercantilism and commodity hoarding. Most likely fiat will be abandoned in favor of crypto as we enter a new era of hyperinflation.

Buckle up - 2026 is going to be a wild ride.

traceroute66•1h ago
The USD has already been in decline as a reserve currency. The only thing that is happening is the decline is accelerating.

It is not necessarily a question of "takes its place", but more about being more serious about diversification. Or to paraphrase the old IBM saying "nobody got fired for buying USD" is no longer the case.

In terms of options you have JPY, EUR and CNY as the big-three and maybe tag AUD on top.

axus•59m ago
Bitcoins, probably
mywittyname•50m ago
To the rest of the world - Nothing. Trade works just fine without a reserve currency.

For the USA - massive inflation. All of those dollars are coming back home, which will weaken the dollar.

Plus, there's the second-order effects from a president taking control of the fed by trumping up charges on its members. So high inflation + low/zero/negative interest rates.

corimaith•15m ago
>And who takes its place?

Anybody who can (EU, Yuan) does not want to. Primairly because as export based economies, they want a weak currency in relation to a strong reserve (dollar) so they can make their goods more competitive, and also because surplus naturally appreciates a currency without central bank intervention via buying US treasuries to offset the appreciation. And for China, they're not going to accept the liberalized capital controls neede for it either.

So the answer is if the US dollars fail it would be global economic collapse and then chaos, but contrary to the rhetoric the rest of the world's economic systems are too uniquely vested in the USD to see it fail. As for gold, well we come to the same problem as noted above but worse, and in that situation the US actually holds the highest gold reserves so they still benefit the most out of it.

jlarocco•7m ago
I wonder if there needs to be a single reserve currency any more.

In the past it made things easier for everybody to use the same currency, but is that still the case with modern electronic transactions?

Maybe it splinters into Euro, BRICS, and USD?

david-gpu•1h ago
A sensible response, indeed. Investing is about finding the right balance of risk vs reward. When a country becomes less reliable, it becomes a less attractive investment, until the interest they pay rises enough to compensate for the additional risk.

Edit: Yes, I am being sarcastic.

seydor•1h ago
When facing war you have more important things to think about, including confiscation and freezing of assets
notyourwork•1h ago
Both can be true. Start with soft preemptive planning for both reasons.
bowmessage•1h ago
> $100 million

Is that a lot? Seems relatively inconsequential in the grand scheme of things, but perhaps a warning of larger moves to come.

brookst•1h ago
It’s the symbolism more than direct financial impact. You get 100 moves like this and it starts to become real money.
koolba•1h ago
It’s hard to put an exact number but it’s on the order of $500-1000 billion daily.

So a drop in the bucket, but we’ll have to see if it’s a domino.

hypeatei•1h ago
It's not a lot. Multiple countries could offload hundreds of billions and the U.S. Treasury would buy them up immediately (and probably ask the Federal Reserve for some help the next day)

I can't find the program name at the moment, but the Treasury plans for situations like this regularly.

lostlogin•1h ago
> the Treasury plans for situations like this regularly.

For attacking allies?

I know that’s not what you meant but we must be pushing up against scenarios that haven’t been considered possible.

munk-a•1h ago
We've certainly planned for single allies going unhinged - but what we didn't plan for was us going unhinged and causing all our allies to take retaliatory actions. If France, Denmark, Germany, Britain - any one of them was swept up in nationalistic fervor and turned their back on our multi-lateral alliances we could easily weather that storm... when it's us though, that threatens the USD's acceptance as the defacto trading currency especially at a time when BRICS is semi-coherent and we're weathering a recent inflationary burst. This is like a perfect storm.
hypeatei•1h ago
Definitely, I think there'd be a crisis if our biggest holders like the UK and Japan sold off their treasury securities but some "small" selloffs aren't outside the realm of possibilities. Trillions in selloffs though, that might get interesting.
luke5441•1h ago
The FED can print as much money as it wants. Defaulting this way on US debt won't make the US a more desirable debtor nation.
mythical_39•57m ago
So if the Treasury is the only entity buying treasuries, what is the USD worth at your local grocery store?

how about at the companies that supply that grocery store?

and so on up the chain.

WarmWash•1h ago
About $1T is traded daily so it's really more a symbolic move.
mywittyname•58m ago
Two people buying and selling the same dollar a trillion time would hit that trade volume in a day. There's also a huge difference between short term and long term bonds.

So we need a better metric to evaluate this against. If we look at recent auctions, they typically move around 35-40 billion in 10 year notes and about 25-30 billion in 30 year notes. With the rest being short term.

In 2025, the Treasury issued $30 trillion total over 400 auctions.

So yes, $100MM is not a lot, but it's still three or so auctions worth of bonds. There's also the downstream impacts of this, as the Netherlands is likely no longer buying t-bonds in any form. And this is just one country.

monkeydust•1h ago
Nope but its about the sentiment

https://ticdata.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-cent...

toomuchtodo•1h ago
China has been divesting for the last nine months, and continues to do so.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-12-18/foreign-h... | https://archive.today/4pfum

elicash•1h ago
It's a pension fund of/for teachers in Denmark. That amount in U.S. Treasuries sounds like an expected size to me.
louthy•1h ago
Whilst this might be symbolic, money managers don’t tend to do symbolism. Surely it’s more likely that they fear what’s to come: an economic war against the dollar as pushback for the threats from Trump. So selling before the price tanks makes good sense.
lostlogin•1h ago
The other thread going on this topic says that Europe could sell about $10 trillion. That’s a lot, but also, it’s only a bit over 10 days trading at normal volumes (according to the numbers being discussed in this thread).

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46692052

Arnt•38m ago
The normal trading volume isn't really the key. Rather, it's how elastic the price is.

Suppose these guys sell 10% of the daily trading volume. How do the traders in the market react? One possibility: Buy at current prices. Another: Speculate that there'll be more sales and the price will drop by a couple of per cent in the coming days/weeks, and delay their buying in order to buy the dip.

I'm sure the Americans have laid plans for how to avoid a major Oops.

Havoc•43m ago
It’s about the right sizing for a pension fund invest. Most pension fund transactions I see are in roughly that range 50 to 200ish

Rounding error on a global scale.

seydor•1h ago
Let's see how Norway will react
I_am_tiberius•25m ago
+1
exabrial•1h ago
The US keeps voting to raise its debt cieling. Theres not end in sight to endless taxation by both parties.

Nobody is reducing spending and delivery continues to go down.

toomuchtodo•1h ago
Congress passed a tax cut last year for the wealthiest as part of the One Big Beautiful Bill (“OBBB”) that increases the debt by $1T-$4T over ten years. What taxation by both parties?

The US pays $800B/year to service debt. It pays $800B-$1T/year for the military. What would you like cut that is discretionary? There appears to be no appetite to raise taxes on the wealthy, pay down debt, and reduce military spending. So US credit card go brrr. We’ll hit a debt spiral eventually.

https://usafacts.org/government-spending/

Filligree•1h ago
The deficit reliably starts to come down whenever a Democrat leadership is in place. It then jumps back up under the Republicans.
toomuchtodo•1h ago
Well, the unsophisticated and low education keep voting for Republicans, so what do? If you’re an individual, if you can, the best you can do is be prepared to get out and not have exposure to the US financially or from a tax perspective. Otherwise you’re stuck going over the cliff economically with the lemmings due to an uneducated, unsophisticated, vibe driven electorate and a suboptimal political and governance system lacking sufficient checks and balances to prevent this outcome.

Maybe we’re lucky and adults come back into power, but hope alone is not a strategy. No one is coming to save you, prepare accordingly. I have prepared accordingly to decouple from the US entirely as a citizen, if necessary. It’s regrettable and I have no other solution for those inquiring. You can’t control the winds, but you can adjust your sails. My genuine condolences and sympathies if one cannot escape the US either via income, wealth, or some form of visa (lineage, family, work, etc).

(derived from first principles)

yoyohello13•19m ago
It blows my mind that republicans are still seen as the fiscally responsible party.
elicash•11m ago
In "defense" of Republicans, the MAIN reason for deficit increasing under Republicans is that their administrations often end with some type of economic disaster. Their increased spending is part of the picture, but not as responsible as the impacts from final year recessions.
lostlogin•59m ago
> Congress passed a tax cut last year for the wealthiest as part of the One Big Beautiful Bill (“OBBB”)

I think you need to call it by its real name.

One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

You can tell how much care and considering went into if from the name.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Big_Beautiful_Bill_Act

whimsicalism•1h ago
We don’t need tax cuts, we need higher taxes and less spending on the rich&old. Our welfare system is completely backwards, if you are facing declining fertility and struggling young people - you don’t continue to tax the young to spend on the wealthier generation.

Unfortunately most young people don’t realize they are being hoodwinked and so poll extremely supportive of this scheme.

spankalee•1h ago
Why should taxes "end"?
jeltz•1h ago
The US most likely needs to raise taxes if you want to stop constant loans.
epistasis•1h ago
The fund is not concerned about the debt ceiling. The are concerned about the US threatening invasion of its allies.

The debt ceiling is literally not a problem at all, unless the US were to do something as monumentally stupid as to stop allowing its GDP to grow through trade, and devalue the US dollar, in which case everybody flees US treasuries, resulting in collapse of value, causing more people to flee UST, etc....

The debt hawks are very wrong about the fundamentals of currency, but they are less dangerous than the war hawks in the White House to the US's economic future.

It's one thing to do a epically stupid invasion of Iraq on faked intelligence, which ally support. It's another thing entirely to invade allies. It will totally end US dominance in the world.

mythical_39•54m ago
"The decision is rooted in the poor U.S. government finances, which make us think that we need to make an effort to find an alternative way of conducting our liquidity and risk management," Investment Director Anders Schelde said in a written statement.

"Thus, it is not directly related to the ongoing rift between the U.S. and Europe, but of course that didn't make it more difficult to take the decision," he added.

quotes from the Reuters article

whimsicalism•52m ago
The fiscal trajectory of the US absolutely matters for growth, inflation expectations, tax expectations, and government capability.
lostlogin•51m ago
> endless taxation by both parties.

How do you run a country without taxation? Can you point at an example?

mywittyname•47m ago
Tariffs, obvs.

/s

Serious answer: deficit spending and let inflation act as the taxation mechanism.

lostlogin•44m ago
Deficit spending with zero taxation?

The approach is tried and true with a small deficit, but surely you need some decent source of revenue to keep the inflation under control.

fabian2k•1h ago
> "The decision is rooted in the poor U.S. government finances, which make us think that we need to make an effort to find an alternative way of conducting our liquidity and risk management," Investment Director Anders Schelde said in a written statement.

Not a political decision. Still a bad sign for the US, but not really unexpected.

JumpinJack_Cash•1h ago
This divestment is so little and with so little aim.

The whole situation is been caused by a single guy and 400 enablers, whereas the US is a 400 million people country.

The correct form of reaction is a punch in the face during a bilateral meeting, Zelensky came close to doing it but unfortunately he resisted his impulse , that's where the epicenter of all newly generated global problems in the last 10 years lies, in that octogenarian brian of his.

4gotunameagain•1h ago
The americans that support Trump are many more than 400.

Also, them having elected Trump TWICE, why would they ever be trusted ?

Also when the alternatives are people like.. Hilary Clinton ?

lostlogin•57m ago
> when the alternatives are people like.. Hilary Clinton ?

Would she have been worse than this?

And the US had a better choice the second time.

jeltz•54m ago
No, I do not even think people like DeSantis or Ted Cruz would have been worse. Trump was one of the worst possible candidates the US voters could pick.
lostlogin•49m ago
And you don’t just have to pick from the red team.

But as you say, was there a worse option? It’s hard to find it.

lpcvoid•48m ago
Hilary Clinton could have literally entered office and done nothing, and still be better for the American people than the current admin, which is making life more difficult every week for not just Americans, but a good part of the whole world. But hey, the libs were owned, so I guess that's good or something.
inetknght•1h ago
> The whole situation is been caused by a single guy and 400 enablers

There's a hell of a lot more than 400 enablers. Every single person who voted for the treasonous traitor orange cheeto enabled this; every single person still supporting him is still an enabler.

We have the modern Nazi party in the USA. Treat it like that.

JumpinJack_Cash•40m ago
The GOP is the bicentennial institution , the anchor that 50% of the country see as the bastion against progressivism

Conservatism vs. Progressivism will keep raging on for the whole eternity.

Trumpism is for sure made up of the 400 enablers who took control of the bicentennial institution that is the GOP

jeltz•1h ago
Why don't you go up and punch him in the face yourself? Especially if the problem is just one man and 400 enablers hat should be trivial. Just find 1000 people to beat them up.

In reality that one man is backed by half of the US voters, the Republican Party a lot of rich and powerful people, a clear majority of the police forces and an unknown part of the US military.

hbarka•37m ago
> backed by half of the US voters

False. People who say this don’t know that a large percentage of Americans don’t care to vote.

GJim•11m ago
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice".
hagbarth•37m ago
This isn’t a political move. It’s a pension fund derisking a small part of their investments by moving them out of a riskier asset.
softwaredoug•1h ago
When I actually look at the data, a lot of US deficit growth came from several specific shocks, with inconsistent years of recovery.

- 9/11

- Iraq War

- Covid

The US did recover a bit deficit-wise in Obama years, but have not reset the fiscal picture from Covid.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/FYFSD

epistasis•1h ago
What does debt pressure have to do with this? That is an unconnected topic, and not a threat to treasuries.
orwin•54m ago
The plunge around 2001 wasn't caused by 9/11, and was orchestrated a bit before. Since Clinton managed to cut a lot of spending (both due to his governance and global economics) and reduce some tax avoidance schemes, the US budget had a surplus, so the Bush admin implemented a lot of tax cuts. 9/11 and the following wars didn't had any positive impact, but without the Bush tax cuts, the US budget would still have a surplus in 2003 before the Iraq war
qgin•1h ago
So much of the way the United States works is having a nearly limitless source of borrowing at low rates in the form of selling treasury bonds.

The further we get away from that being true, the more precarious things become.

CamperBob2•1h ago
We're under active, malicious attack by 1/3 of our own eligible voters. Not clear how this will play out, as I can't think of any historical parallels.
ch4s3•57m ago
It’s a lot like the rise and presidency of Andrew Jackson.
ninth_ant•57m ago
It’s over 50% and there are plenty of plainly obvious parallels both historical and contemporary.
epistasis•51m ago
Far far below 50%. The media tricked some people into supporting Trump by perpetuating his obvious lies unchallenged, but now that people see what Trump is doing he is underwater on all issues.

Most other contemporary and historical parallels of authoritarians show far higher popularity of the authoritarian. Trump is nowhere close.

The biggest risk to the US is that the media is completely compromised, as are leadership at many institutions. Even in Silicon Valley, the loudest and most vocal leaders are self-destructively supporting this madness that will destroy the US's wealth, and their future wealth gains too.

CamperBob2•47m ago
The media tricked some people into supporting Trump

You could almost make this case in 2016, but anyone who fell for Trump in 2024 will just fall for the next con man to come along. At some point we have to take responsibility for our own choices and stop blaming the media.

The truth about Trump was out there, and it was not hard to find.

Added here due to rate-limiting:

2024 was right after voters had seen Biden at that debate, while all the "responsible" people insisted he was sharp and smart. It really was more unique than its given credit for.

Both candidates were a disgrace to the parties who propped them up. However, nothing Biden said was any worse than what Trump said about immigrants eating peoples' pet dogs and cats.

At the Biden/Trump debate, the choice was between malevolent, incoherent senility and plain old garden-variety senility, and the voters choose poorly. At the actual election, there were even fewer excuses for voting for Trump, as Biden was no longer in play.

woooooo•36m ago
2024 was right after voters had seen Biden at that debate, while all the "responsible" people insisted he was sharp and smart. It really was more unique than its given credit for.
ca6d8815•50m ago
It is 49.8% (people who voted Trump in 2024) of 64.1% (people who voted in 2024), or 31.9% or ~1/3 of the total eligible voting population, which is what your parent states.
xienze•36m ago
You understand how statistics work, don't you? When you have 64% of the population voting, that's a pretty big sample size, enough so that you can reasonably extrapolate that the 49.8% share _probably_ holds across the rest of the population, give or take.

Put another way, if someone asked you to estimate what the split between the one third of the population that didn't vote was, what would you use as a reference point? Social media posts? Vibes? Or maybe polls leading up to the vote that showed the same roughly 50-50 split found in the actual results?

ninth_ant•29m ago
The parent comment was edited after my reply.
CamperBob2•22m ago
Yes, sorry; I added 'eligible' to emphasize how many people failed to vote at all.

Unfortunately, my understanding based on reported surveys [1] is that if the non-voters had voted, Trump's margin of victory would have been even greater. If that's the case, then those who say that my 1/3 figure is too low are correct.

1: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/06/26/2024-election-turno...

pavlov•50m ago
It's not uncommon for democracies to be subverted by a minority party.

Nazis did it in Germany. They lost parliamentary seats in the November 1932 election, but remained the largest party with 33% of seats. The next year the country was already a dictatorship.

Communists did it in Czhechoslovakia in 1948. They led a coalition government but had just lost the previous election.

I'm worried that United States 2027 will be added to this list. If MAGA sees their grip on power starting to fade after November elections, they may try increasingly extreme measures.

epistasis•56m ago
When you say "nearly limitless" source of borrowing, the limit is the gain in global wealth. The US has been siphoning off a huge chunk of world wealth by printing dollars to serve as the currency for that wealth.

All the people complaining about "US Debt" and $26T of "net investment" or whatever don't realize that this is/was the benefit of the US being stable, strong, and friendly.

When the US is unstable, weak, and a bully, as it is now, all that goes away. The bill comes due, and the US will pay dearly. The rest of the world will pay nothing.

adventured•44m ago
The US is more stable than the powers of Europe (which have constant political upheavals, snap elections that completely remake the political landscape, etc). You're confusing Trump's mouth with how the US political system actually functions.

Just because the US changes political direction, that doesn't equate to instability. Its aims are changing, like it or not, good or bad. The US deciding it wants Greenland is not a proof of instability, it's a change in the strategic goals held by the people controlling the superpower.

And the US is at a high level of strength, not weakness. Its large corporations hold sway over the globe in a manner the likes of which has never been seen before in modern history. Its military has force projection to nearly every point on the globe, with hundreds of global military bases. Its national wealth is at an all-time high. Its stock markets are at all-time highs. Its median income is at an all-time high. Its median disposable income is at an all-time high. Its housing wealth is at an all-time high.

triceratops•40m ago
> Its median income is at an all-time high. Its median dispoable income is at an all-time high. Its housing wealth is at an all-time high.

Then why is everyone so damned unhappy all the time?

xienze•27m ago
The US used to be a much more homogeneous country, which certainly makes it a lot easier for everyone to be on the same page because of shared cultural values.

That has changed dramatically in the past few decades and with it, places where Americans can find common ground.

Other western countries are going down the exact same path, just a bit behind us.

triceratops•16m ago
I love how racism gets snuck into everything these days.

No, homogeneity doesn't cause happiness.[1] And the US was always less homogenous than other "western" countries.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_in_Japan#Suicide_proble...

blibble•38m ago
> The US is more stable than the powers of Europe (which have constant political upheavals, snap elections that completely remake the political landscape, etc). You're confusing Trump's mouth with how the US political system actually functions.

this is satire right?

the UK's system is close to 1000 years old

I doubt the current US system will last another decade

> with hundreds of global military bases

all of which will evaporate the moment it does anything to Greenland

adventured•20m ago
The UK's current system is realistically about the same age as the US, their first PM was in the 18th century. Unless you're claiming the King/Queen is still in control of everything. You can't have that premise both ways.
blibble•13m ago
> The UK's current system is realistically about the same age as the US

no, it's evolved continuously from 1066

by the time of the US rebellion, the king was already neutered

> their first PM was in the 18th century.

the title of "Prime Minister" is a modern invention

a constitutionally limited monarchy is older than the US

meanwhile the modern US seems to be a absolute monarchy that isn't constitutionally limited

justin66•35m ago
This is no time for low-effort satire.
GJim•33m ago
> The US is more stable than the powers of Europe ....... You're confusing Trump's mouth with how the US political system actually functions.

Eh?

If the US political system was stable and fit for purpose, the US would have got rid of the wannabe dictator by now; or at least held his power in check.

7speter•32m ago
> And the US is at a high level of strength, not weakness. Its large corporations hold sway over the globe in a manner the likes of which has never been seen before in modern history. Its military has force projection to nearly every point on the globe, with hundreds of global military bases. Its national wealth is at an all-time high. Its stock markets are at all-time highs. Its median income is at an all-time high. Its median dispoable income is at an all-time high. Its housing wealth is at an all-time high

This is in part because other countries allow American countries to come in and take over markets.

jimnotgym•17m ago
In a war type scenario between US and Europe, what do you think will happen to those large corporations 'sway'? Their assets will be confiscated, their systems cut off or repurposed. It will immediately end any sway those corporations had
justin66•7m ago
[delayed]
mym1990•42m ago
Its baffling that you think the collapse of the USD would have no negative ramifications on the rest of the world...
PartiallyTyped•35m ago
It will suck, and then it will get better.
7speter•34m ago
The negative ramifications seem to be better than being invaded by the US or having regional entities invaded by the US, and the ensuing instability as a result.

If its going to be like this the rest of the world might as well cut its losses

corimaith•23m ago
You do realise it is arthimetically impossible to balance all the desired export surpluses of the EU, China, Japan, etc together without the US as the demand sink right? Whatever adjustment comes is certainly going to require somebody to act in a manner contrary to their current strategies, and it's going to be a painful adjustment.

And which is harder? Bringing back production to satiate domestic demand or increasing domestic demand? Historically, demand deficiency is much harder to restore.

monero-xmr•12m ago
Single most accurate and astute comment on the entire page. Not everyone can be a net exporter, of course…
adventured•50m ago
Japan is the model of low interest rate debt and the US is not close to how low Japan was able to go, with a currency (Yen) vastly less potent than the global reserve currency.

Most of the US borrowing is domestic, very little of it is now foreign. No foreign entity can afford to absorb $2 trillion of new paper every year. That's equal to the total holdings of China + Japan. Going forward you might as well regard all US Govt borrowing as domestic, as that will essentially be the case given the scale. The UK holds $885b of treasuries, what are they going to buy annually that will make a difference at this point?

Every nation has a limitless ability to borrow internally via currency debasement, with obvious consequences. That USD debasement is why gold has gone up 10x in 20 years when priced in dollars. It's why healthcare and housing is so expensive - when priced in dollars. Cash pushed into gold in 2005, $100k, would now buy you a million dollar house. It's the dollar of course that has been hammered (among other currencies, the Euro has not done well against gold either).

The US won't stop being able to debase its currency and buy its own debt. What the US is doing is eating its hand. If it continues to get worse, it moves on to eating its arm, and so on (the US is de facto consuming its national wealth through stealth confiscation via currency destruction, rather than paying the bills with taxation directly).

maxglute•3m ago
>what are they going to buy annually that will make a difference at this point

Mechanically, "they" being sovereign banks serve as price-insensitive marginal buyers that close treasury auctions regardless of price because they buy treasury for storage/liquidity. VS domestic buyers (hedgefund insurance), who are price sensitive = raise rates to attract discriminate buyers who buy for yield/valuation = worse debt servicing = faster debasing. Foreign sovereign buyers still play governor role in making sure domestic buyers get a shit none-market deal, i.e. US gov gets a good deal which moderates velocity of debasing. Of course past certain level of debt brrrting, the ability for sovereign buyers to absorb is compromised, in which case it makes sense for US to fuck foreign buyers over and inflate away as much debt as possible while still reserve currency, i.e. US can inflate/soft default faster than world can unwind. And TBH US will probably be "fine" as long as US can still gunboat diplomacy. If can't be banker, be the mob boss.

afavour•1h ago
It's symbolism. But it's important symbolism. Far more notable, I think, is Macron saying this morning that Europe needs more investment from China. Canada signing a deal with China to allow their cars to be sold in the country.

It's all a sliding slope until it reaches a breaking point and falls off like a cliff.

EDIT: to quote the Canadian PN earlier today:

“American hegemony in particular helped provide public goods, a stable financial system... this bargain no longer works. Let me be direct. We are in the midst of a rupture, not a transition... recently, great powers have begun using economic integration as a weapon. Tariffs as leverage ..."

tomaskafka•58m ago
That sounds like a rhetoric for better negotiating power against Trump. Chinese are our adversaries (EDIT: enemies, they actually bankroll Russian invasion and supply weapons) and I hope president of France understands that.
koe123•56m ago
Genuinely: why? I feel like they were our geopolitical adversary by proxy cause of USA, but is that still true?
afavour•55m ago
> That sounds like a rhetoric for better negotiating power against Trump.

In the Canadian example at least the deal is signed. It's not just words.

> Chinese are our adversaries

Increasingly the US is a European adversary. They are literally threatening to invade the territory of a European country! China isn't doing that.

Very easy to dismiss it as the rantings of a madman but no-one is holding him back. People didn't take the tariff bluster seriously and then it became very real.

foobarian•51m ago
I really don't get the Greenland thing. Is there some 4D chess reason for it? The US already has military bases there and could probably have as many more as they wanted if they just asked nicely. So the whole security thing is a pretext
afavour•49m ago
IMO the reason is that he is a senile old man lashing out at the world. I really don't think there's a lot to it beyond that. Everyone else goes along with it because they know the administration's entire legitimacy comes from Trump and if/when he's gone the whole house of cards will collapse. That or they have their own focuses (e.g. Stephen Miller) and are happy for Greenland to be a distraction while they get on with their own stuff.
nemomarx•48m ago
No one's really put out a strong case for it like that. You could argue it's a lot of land that's underpopulated and might be valuable in twenty years with global warming or something?

But the simpler answer is that Trump seems to personally like the idea of adding a big landmass to the US for ego reasons. He talked about it last term too with the same excuses mostly.

Supermancho•29m ago
Probably to indelibly put his name on a piece of the US. How did we get Greenland? Trump.
senderista•13m ago
It's the Mercator projection's fault
jfengel•21m ago
There have been mumblings about mineral wealth, and about strategic bases. None of them really make a lick of sense.

It does not look as if it's serious. But this is a deeply unserious administration, so it's hard to guess.

coffeebeqn•11m ago
If they want mineral rights those will be arranged easily with basic diplomacy and investment. They had 17 military bases there during the Cold War and that contract stands. Greenland is under NATO article 5 protection. There is no rational net-positive reason for this no matter what dimension you look in
jpadkins•19m ago
if there were more valuable reasons, talking publicly about it would only drive up the price.
xienze•43m ago
> Very easy to dismiss it as the rantings of a madman but no-one is holding him back.

Does anyone really need to? We're not getting Greenland and everyone knows it, ESPECIALLY the people screeching the most about it. Trump's whole thing is giving the media lots of fresh meat to go wild over so they're distracted. I'm sure it's some sort of Sun Tzu thing he read about and has latched on to.

However, this one in particular is really baffling in that he can't let it go and it just makes everything worse.

> People didn't take the tariff bluster seriously and then it became very real.

I mean, not really? There's been some tariffs here and there but nowhere near what was originally claimed, things have been walked back and forth multiple times, etc. That's really what's caused the most damage, the uncertainty moreso than the actual tariffs. And this is also something he's particular fixated on and I wish he'd drop since it's obvious it's not going to have the intended outcome.

fooster•53m ago
Chinese are Canadian adversaries mostly because of the US. The US more or less forced Canada to hold Meng Wanzhou, which caused a huge rise in diplomatic tensions and cost Canada billions. Some thanks we got for that.
petcat•48m ago
Doesn't China own most of the real estate in Canada.

Did USA cause that

Cornbilly•43m ago
>Doesn't China own most of the real estate in Canada.

No.

rjrjrjrj•37m ago
Weird whataboutery
Supermancho•32m ago
For a time there was a large amount of Chinese money fleeing to Canada and the US, buying up coastland and other high value residential. Circa 2018ish, that reversed due to Xi Ping's mandates. Near Seattle, the Bellevue luxury market bottom fell out over a month long period. AFAIK, it never fully returned to the hey day levels of spending.
epolanski•47m ago
I'm Italian/Polish, China has never done anything to me in history.

Whereas I remember multiple times our allies pillaging and colonizing the country.

Not a fan of their espionage, lack of IP respect and human rights record (albeit we should also look at ourselves on the last one as well). But those are things that could've been challenged democratically through economical levers imho.

The only reason China suddenly became the enemy is because their GDP growth put them as the world's biggest economy in few decades and Washington wasn't happy with this.

traceroute66•41m ago
> I hope president of France understands that

I'm sure he does.

But only a fool would piss off the Chinese.

Both in Macron's own country and his region, there will be hundreds of companies who are already cut-off from Russia, Africa, Middle-East and Central Asia due to geopolitics. China doesn't care and is busy selling there.

So what's left is the remainder of Asia, which is China's home turf where they are already ultra-competitive as they have the geographic advantage.

And of course there will be companies in Macron's country and region using Chinese manufacturing or otherwise engaged in Chinese JVs to get access to sell to the Chinese market.

So for Macron to go full-Trump on China would be a textbook case of cutting your nose to spite your face. The Chinese are masters at playing the long game and the West needs to be careful about knee-jerk short-termism actions.

busterarm•58m ago
Canada needs cheaper cars than US manufacturers want to provide. US brand cars have all been going higher dollar and further up market in recent years.

Quebec is famous for the "Quebec Special". Cars with manual everything. No AC. Manual windows. Completely stripped down to be as affordable/disposable as possible. Also the roads are absolute shit, they never wash off the salt, there used to be no inspections and title-washing is common practice there.

earlyriser•46m ago
Is this a thing? I have never heard about that, living in QC for the last 20 years and owned and rode dozens of cars. The car salesman looked at me as a rare species when I wanted a manual Soul. I have never seen an no AC or manual windows car here.
busterarm•10m ago
Sorry, I'm old. I last lived in Canada 20 years ago. Times do change, but yes this very much used to be a thing. Base model/optionless imports still are, however.

Everything I said about the roads and title washing still applies.

HarHarVeryFunny•22m ago
They are certainly going to get them! Apparently zero tariffs on Chinese made EVs coming into Canada, so they will have EV's of at least same quality as Tesla, but half price (e.g. see Marques Brownlee's recent Xiaomi review).
btbuildem•57m ago
It's not pure symbolism. The most effective way to reduce the global threat the US is appearing to pose more as of late, is to hit the dollar. The US economy is in a very precarious state, tensions along political ideology lines are high, and it would not take much more than a worsening of economic conditions plus a catalyst event to kick off armed unrest within the country. A new civil war that drives the US to fragment into several independent regions over the course of the next ~five years would kind of be the best scenario from a global perspective.
raincole•52m ago
> Danish pension fund AkademikerPension said on Tuesday it would sell off its holding of U.S. Treasuries, worth some $100 million,

> AkademikerPension has in total 164 billion Danish crowns ($25.74 billion)

So they are moving about 0.4% of their investment.

Not pure symbolism, but $100 million is really nothing when we're talking about US treasuries. In the past decade, China has reduced their holding by about $600B.

jacquesm•27m ago
Think of it as a bowshot. There are many more such 10 to 100 billion funds and they can move at the drop of a hat if they have to.
whimsicalism•46m ago
I’m curious when people make comments like this, do they actually live in the US and believe this or has the media environment gotten so bad in Europe+ that people have no clue what’s real or not?
toomuchtodo•44m ago
Maybe you'd trust Blackrock's CEO instead? I live in the US and I have rotated away from US equities and treasuries to derisk from volatility of poor governance (both this administration and long term fiscal policy).

BlackRock CEO delivers blunt warning on US national debt - https://www.thestreet.com/investing/blackrock-ceo-delivers-b... - January 18th, 2026

The U.S. Deficit Will 'Overwhelm This Country': BlackRock CEO Larry Fink - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4d1GzgnhkI

whimsicalism•42m ago
I don’t disagree that our fiscal situation is unsustainable. I’m curious specifically about the people envisioning (with barely disguised glee) the US erupting into a civil war within 5 years, as they seem somewhat to have lost touch with reality.
toomuchtodo•40m ago
In longitudinal surveys, typically, about 5% of folks elect the "some men want to watch the world burn" option. I cannot speak to the glee component you mention, I know these people exist, but they are a minority. I can speak to the ongoing political polarization that treats national politics as a sport and is avoiding course correcting fiscal policy trajectory. And this fiscal policy is going to lead to widening wealth inequality, a continuation of a K shaped economic recovery, and pushing the electorate to more extreme options besides the voting booth. No one is "winning", there is no moderate middle ground any more, and I don't see how this trajectory will change. Thanks Gingrich (who set us on this path decades ago)!

Nearly 40% of Young Americans Say Political Violence Is Acceptable in Certain Circumstances, Harvard Poll Finds - https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2025/12/4/hpop-poll-polit... - December 4th, 2025

Americans say politically motivated violence is increasing, and they see many reasons why - https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2025/10/23/americans... - October 23rd, 2025

antonvs•33m ago
What could easily happen much sooner than 5 years is an incident that gives Trump an excuse to invoke the Insurrection Act, and send federal troops - not just National Guard - into blue US cities. Things could go a lot of different ways after that, but something resembling civil war - or a smaller-scale guerilla war - is very much in the realm of possibility.

Be wary of normalcy bias, it's a big part of what lets the Trump admin get away with what its doing. People think "oh that can't happen"... until it does.

throw0101a•29m ago
> I’m curious specifically about the people envisioning (with barely disguised glee) the US erupting into a civil war within 5 years, as they seem somewhat to have lost touch with reality.

The MN governor has called up their National Guard to help local law enforcement. The Pentagon is readying troops as well, presumably to help federal officials (ICE).

If both sides think they are following lawful orders, and neither side will give, what do you think will happen? (I have no answers.)

Further, there are folks that want a conflict because the West has become too decadent or something, and some conflict is needed to toughen up (?):

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerationism

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment

toomuchtodo•26m ago
To note, I believe it's possible the ~1500 troops staging to Minnesota are not to assist with ICE operations, but to be air lifted via the 133rd Airlift Wing to Greenland. If interested in pursuing this, task some commercial satellite imaging.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/133rd_Airlift_Wing

whimsicalism•25m ago
Federal supremacy will win, the MN governor will not tell local LE directly to prevent federal agents enforcing federal law. I understand that law is not popular among many right now, but that is how it will play out.

There will not be civil war unless the military truly comes to assist in a Trump attempt to take power in 2028, which I think is very unlikely.

toomuchtodo•22m ago
The US military spent $4T-$6T in Iraq and Afghanistan, losing ~7k soldiers and ~52k wounded [1]. The US has one of the highest per capita of gun ownership and less than a million soldiers on US soil [2] [3]. Federal supremacy is based on the concept of the US military winning a conflict when they haven't won one since WW2. Force projection via military hardware and popping into Venezuela to extract its leader is a far different proposition than urban combat where your home and family is on the same soil.

I very much hope civil war is unlikely, but the federal government is vastly undermanned if a conflict occurs on US soil.

(have four siblings who have decades in combined military tours across all service branches except the coast guard, and I leverage them as a resource collectively in these matters)

[1] https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2016-10/costs-war-numbers

[2] https://usafacts.org/answers/how-many-troops-are-in-the-us-m...

[3] https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-are-in-the-us-...

JumpinJack_Cash•12m ago
> > the US erupting into a civil war within 5 years, as they seem somewhat to have lost touch with reality.

When your material needs are satisfied then only ideological battles remain to be won.

And having lots of material stuff you have plenty to throw at the enemy.

It's already happening. People are willing to forego their material needs and harm the country and themselves to 'own' and defeat the other side.

The only hope is that the ideological wars become so scattered and around so many topics and centers of power that it's not 70m people vs. 70m people or that the ideological wars are slow and so people realize the loss of quality of life and material wealth and rebalance towards the latter instead of pursuing the 'owning the other side' doctrine

whimsicalism•7m ago
I think effectively all empirics go against this notion, the only real counterexample I can think of is the Troubles. People living comfortable lives don't want to die and the ideology usually routes around that: look how morality has been evolving wrt to the notion of 'sacrifice for the common good' - and we expect people will sacrifice their lives for their perception of the common good? doubt it
drstewart•37m ago
>Fink is still a big believer in the U.S. economy and argues things are looking mostly constructive at this point. He feels the bull story is still intact, but its durability matters a lot more.

So do you believe him? Let me guess: you'll pick and choose the parts

toomuchtodo•35m ago
I agree with his statement you quote. I believe that the US still has some growth ahead purely out of existing demographics and population, but that due to go forward geopolitics and global trade reconfigurations, more growth will be had internationally than in the US over the next 5-10 years (and this is the same guidance I share with the HNW individuals I advise from geopolitical safety and portfolio strategy perspectives). Where has most growth been in the US recently? The Mag 7, AI, data centers, etc. Will this growth last? No one knows. What happens when it stops? Sadness.

Global markets outperform the U.S. in 2025 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DERutj8lfY - December 30th, 2025

2026 Outlook: International Stocks and Economy - https://www.schwab.com/learn/story/international-stock-marke... - December 9th, 2025

(not investing advice, I am simply very curious and a degenerate gambler)

ptero•32m ago
Warnings about the deficit is spot on. It is a safe bet that the country with government that spends 50% more than it takes in as taxes will not give above inflation return on its government debt. As a side note, most of the "Western world" is in the same boat (spending way above the long-term ability to pay, so eventually will have to default-by-inflation on bondholders).

But I am sure the poster you are responding to was criticizing the take about US splintering into parts due to armed unrest within the next 5 years. Which sounds completely nonsensical to me as well.

hightrix•43m ago
Do you have any criticisms to the parent comment? As an American, they seem pretty spot on to the current climate.

I'd argue we've never been closer to civil war than we are today[0], primarily due to trumps regime invading cities around the country, kidnapping citizens utilizing a bounty program, and killing people in concentration camps.

Ediot: [0] - Since the last civil war. I thought that was obvious, but it seems like it isn't.

treis•40m ago
We've literally had a civil war so I'd say your argument is a bit off the mark.
hightrix•34m ago
Correct, I assumed others would understand I meant since the last civil war. Edited the comment to clear up my intent. Thank you.
treis•21m ago
It's still absurd. Today isn't close to what we saw during the depression or the 70s or desegregation or the Rodney King riot. Besides that, there's no plausible fault line in the military or any sort of ethnic or religious or regional fault line where two sides could form to fight each other.
justin66•40m ago
This comment:

A new civil war that drives the US to fragment into several independent regions over the course of the next ~five years would kind of be the best scenario from a global perspective.

is nutty.

JKCalhoun•4m ago
The last Civil War in the U.S. had States banding together and separating from the Union.

The closest the U.S. is to a Civil War now is akin to a Cold Civil War with, for example, states gerrymandering their Representative districts. Or the Pacific states joining together for West Coast Health Alliance. Did I read rumblings about separate trade deals with foreign countries?

u8080•40m ago
This is truth since it was fact-checked by leading independent EU fact-checkers.
DustinEchoes•36m ago
It’s wishcasting. Some people just want to see dead Americans.
jacquesm•25m ago
On the contrary. The ones that want to see dead Americans are currently sitting in the Whitehouse. Mostly because it won't be them on the receiving end of it and they get to plunder the country. Smaller cake, but more for me seems to be their motto.
whimsicalism•22m ago
I think perhaps multiple people can want to see dead Americans. There is definitely a subtext of glee in this discussion of modern American civil war imo.
jacquesm•20m ago
Not with the Europeans that I know, they are all absolutely aghast at every single murder. It is one of the reasons EU countries are reluctant about participating in any war, they always hope to avoid it (and as a result sometimes get much larger ones...).
whimsicalism•14m ago
Hard for me to see anyone who says an American civil war is a best case scenario as not cheering for American deaths and I'm skeptical that this was written by an American as it sounds far too out of touch and 'wishcasty' as someone else said.
jacquesm•6m ago
I don't know exactly who you are referring to, which article/comment/?? do you refer to?

You are skeptical that it was written by an American, but you have no proof that it was not?

Do you know who did write it?

Those guys in the Whitehouse, are they not American?

They are the ones steering you straight off a cliff and quite literally anything - including civil war - could happen as a result of that.

whimsicalism•3m ago
I'm referring to the initial comment I replied to: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46693230 ie. the comment this entire thread has been about.

> you have no proof that it was not?

In other comments on their profile, they refer to Americans as if they are someone other than themselves. Also, the belief that a civil war splitting up the US is likely within the next 5 years seems like a pretty big giveaway.

> Those guys in the Whitehouse, are they not American?

As I said, multiple people can want bad things. I'm painfully aware of what the current admin is doing to our global reputation and what they are risking with their current games - and there are still 3 years on the clock.

Take care.

colechristensen•18m ago
It's also stupid. A US civil war which went far enough to fragment the country would in actuality be a global WWIII and lead to billions of deaths.
btbuildem•6m ago
We don't live in the meth lab downstairs, we're in the apartment above it. It's been wild in the past couple of decades, but lately you guys have started taking pot shots at the ceiling, so yeah, we're watching.
technotony•41m ago
How would a USA civil be the best scenario globally? Who knows what wars that would trigger globally
g_delgado14•41m ago
> A new civil war that drives the US to fragment into several independent regions over the course of the next ~five years would kind of be the best scenario from a global perspective.

The US isn't going to passively give up its hold on the world order. You don't think this would trigger a world war?

And if / when the US does topple (whether in 10 years or in 1000 years), at the moment it looks like the only viable next leaders in the world order are autocratic dictatorships.

How is this a best scenario from a global perspective?

r_p4rk•37m ago
> The US isn't going to passively give up its hold on the world order. You don't think this would trigger a world war?

They are literally right in the middle of imploding their soft power; so maybe you are right about passively giving it up when they're actively doing so instead?

SideburnsOfDoom•21m ago
> The US isn't going to passively give up its hold on the world order.

No, instead they're actively throwing it on a bonfire.

No, I don't know why either.

palmotea•38m ago
> The US economy is in a very precarious state, tensions along political ideology lines are high, and it would not take much more than a worsening of economic conditions plus a catalyst event to kick off armed unrest within the country.

Do you remember the situation that precipitated the Nazi takeover of Germany? Wasn't it hyperinflation and economic collapse? And you think it would be a good idea to push the US further in that direction?

You'll get worse, not better.

> A new civil war that drives the US to fragment into several independent regions over the course of the next ~five years would kind of be the best scenario from a global perspective.

Are you serious? That's an utterly insane idea. The best scenario from a global perspective is the US regains its stability. Europe is in no position to defend itself militarily, it relies on US support via NATO. I believe similar is true of Japan and other countries. A US civil war would only help Russia and China (Russia would gobble up Ukraine and who knows what else, China would take Taiwan and dominate/subjugate the rest of Asia, like Japan, in some fashion that non-Chinese nations wouldn't be happy with).

Also US polarization isn't regional (e.g. a big part is urban/rural). There's no "fragmentation into independent regions" that would really solve the problem.

jacquesm•22m ago
The rest of the world is not going to be bullied into submission by one guy. If you can't take care of your own problem then eventually the world will turn away from you. This has the obvious potential of spiraling out of control but Trump is first and foremost the responsibility of the US population. The rest of the world will pick up the pieces. But he needs to be kept inside the lines or he'll run into people who are not just going to say 'yes' to his every whim.
palmotea•10m ago
But "not getting bullied" is and entirely different thing than thinking a US civil war would be a good thing for the world or "reduce the global threat" (which is just bonkers).

Like, we're all amateurs on a web forum, but it's best to avoid monomaniacal, first-order thinking.

jacquesm•8m ago
Nobody hopes for that other than some guys that think that crashing the US lets them pick up the pieces like it happened with the USSR but on a much larger scale.

If you honestly believe that the EU wants the US to descend into civil war then you you have your parties grossly mixed up.

zozbot234•25m ago
> The most effective way to reduce the global threat the US is appearing to pose more as of late, is to hit the dollar.

Which is exactly what this administration is doing. What do you think happens when the POTUS and DOJ overtly pressure the sitting Chairman of the Federal Reserve to cut Fed Funds rates and print more money, thus creating more inflation in direct violation of a crystal-clear Congressional mandate? Do you think that's good for the U.S. as a destination for safe assets, or a "reserve currency"?

Mindwipe•54m ago
It's symbolism unless planting a stooge to lower interest rates below any economic justification in April causes a significant slide on the dollar's value. In which case its a great investment move.
alphazard•53m ago
> It's symbolism.

It's not. This is where the financial rubber meets the road, actions have consequences, and the rest of the world is looking at the US as increasingly unlikely to pay above inflation on its debts.

The people managing the pension funds (if they are acting in good faith) really want to generate yield, and really want to preserve capital for the Danish people. They don't want to symbolically do those things, they want to actually do them. If treasuries were still part of what they believe to be the best strategy, they would still be holding them.

epolanski•49m ago
There's no chance US will default on its debts, all it has to do is to print more money.

Inflation may spirale, but it's going to be a US citizens problems (as well as US bond holders).

mym1990•45m ago
It will also be a global problem and not just US citizens, as the dollars underpins a vast amount of global wealth and trade.
epolanski•42m ago
Of course it would have consequences, but US has had multiple huge waves of inflations and very high interest rates, we've all survived.
Retric•35m ago
The US has never dealt with hyperinflation.
adventured•27m ago
The US isn't going to get hyperinflation. It's going to get a Japan style heat death. More and more wealth concentrated into low yielding debt, rather than invested into growth, while purchasing power is chewed up by persistent currency debasement. Japan never did suffer real deflation (that was a lie), it suffered massive inflation: they debased the Yen to garbage levels, drastically chopping down the standard of living of the typical Japanese person, wiping out their wealth, eroding the value of their output per capita. Only in a twisted, failed Keynesian experiment could one confuse such epic scale inflation with deflation. What they thought was deflation was an economic heat death due to their productive capital being tied up in low yield debt.
Retric•25m ago
“There's no chance US will default on its debts, all it has to do is to print more money.”

Trying to inflate away 40+ Trillion in debt would directly result in hyperinflation.

> they debased the Yen to garbage levels

Look at Yen to USD exchange rates and it’s clear they didn’t. “From 1991 to 2003, the Japanese economy, as measured by GDP, grew only 1.14% annually, while the average real growth rate between 2000 and 2010 was about 1%,” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decades Meanwhile the USD exchange rate in Jan 1988 was 127 vs 140 in 1998 vs 107 in 2008. It went up and down all through the 20 years of poor economic growth, but something else was clearly the issue.

mitthrowaway2•12m ago
Have you been to Japan? Salaries are low, but stuff is crazy cheap (even after the past year of inflation). People are still feeling whiplash from the fact that prices can change at all. Many menus and items have prices that have barely changed since the early 1990s, and most of those changes were to add sales taxes to the menu.

The exchange rate of the yen has dropped recently by a lot, but the inflation experience there has been the exact opposite of America's.

mcny•44m ago
I don't think it is that easy though. If you are simply trying to pay off existing debt sure, but we constantly need new debt as well so there is a limit to how much money we can print.
epolanski•43m ago
You obviously cut the budget and raise taxes.
Retric•34m ago
If that was actually being considered you don’t need to default in the first place.
readthenotes1•21m ago
"Not that easy" & EPolanski replies with 2 things the US Congress almost never does
azinman2•44m ago
You’re assuming the people in charge are sane, rationale, and value past decisions that have worked out. It’s quite clear with the now likely permanent damage to NATO this isn’t the case.
adventured•31m ago
You're assuming NATO is somehow critical for the US. It is not.

NATO is critical for the European powers (those not named Russia). The US doesn't require it. The US doesn't need to defend Europe any longer. And it's clear the Europeans don't want the US there, so it works out great. Europe can boost its defense spending by ~$300 billion to make up the difference, or not, whatever they choose to do is up to them.

The US had the world's largest economy six decades before NATO existed. China is growing into a superpower entirely without a NATO-like participation. NATO is primarily beneficial to European stability. The US doesn't need NATO to defend itself at all.

jacquesm•29m ago
This is not a one sided thing. The US has been allowed to do a lot of things under the NATO umbrella that it benefited from (such as: selling a vast quantity of arms). Soft power is a thing and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization came into being to deal with exactly the kind of situation that we are viewing today. To see the US bow out, and in fact threatening allies is duplicitous at best.
OrvalWintermute•7m ago
The Euros also underfunded their defense obligations and received huge amounts of US investment in facilities, enabling them to upfund social programs, socialized healthcare and most egregiously 8 - 12 week vacations which are completely unheard of in the US.
jacquesm•4m ago
You are spending too much time in an echo chamber if you think that those things that are unheard of in the US could not have been done in the US. They could have been, but it would have required a different kind of path that you chose.

The EU has chosen to try to cooperate rather than to be at war all the time and it looks like that may have been a wrong bet but that is mostly because first one (Russia) and now another (USA) party have reneged on the deals that were in place.

soerxpso•5m ago
I find it interesting how people say "The US" to refer to groups under the US government that are often completely at odds with the interests of the actual US public. There are virtually no Americans who want our government to be acting in the interests of arms manufacturers except the arms manufacturers themselves and the politicians they pay.
GoatInGrey•19m ago
To be fair, the user can speak to NATO's value without assigning it a 'critical' value.
sunaurus•17m ago
The US does not benefit from a stronger, more unified Europe. Thanks to NATO, "the west" has effectively become an empire in all but name, with the US having enough influence to be the de facto leaders of this empire.

If US pulls back from NATO, and Europe builds up military power to compensate, then the US loses this de facto leadership seat of an empire.

Today, the US appears in parallel to be doing two things:

1. Causing fragmentation in Europe, by promoting right-wing nationalist politics in the EU

2. Threatening to drastically reduce their role in NATO

At the very least we can both agree that these two efforts are completely in contradiction with each other, and it's very unlikely that Europeans will want to go for more fragmentation without the military power of the US on their side, right?

benterix•3m ago
> NATO is critical for the European powers (those not named Russia).

To be pedantic, Canada is a major non-European NATO member.

And then there are allies, some of them designated by Trump:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

Or, they were, as there is no certainty under his rule.

spamizbad•40m ago
> There's no chance US will default on its debts

Until Trump says he's going to, then his boosters will declare its a genius maneuver and actually its Joe Biden's fault (Joe made him do it!)

eggy•21m ago
Do you the think the EU and its individual country members from 1949 to present carried their fair share of the NATO spending ($55 to $60T), or troops and equipment deployments, or did they "default" on their side of the treaty? The US has paid 65 to 70% of the total of $1.4 to 1.5T/year from 2018 to 2025. That's 9.8T in 8 years (2018 included). Our soldiers, not theirs, carried the weight. If you go per capita, The US has spent an overage of $13 to $16T in 2025 dollars. Let's credit the account for that and see who owes who...
beardyw•5m ago
The intention of NATO is mutual support.

Did you forget that the one and only Article 5 call to date on NATO to members was by the USA following 9/11?

markus_zhang•36m ago
US doesn’t really pay back the principle — States usually roll over. So there is a concern that the future batch of US treasury is less reliable. Plus there is also the risk of a depreciating USD.
jimnotgym•32m ago
If the US invades Greenland, and is at war with Denmark, will it still pay its debts to a Dane?
jacquesm•31m ago
We're at a crossroads: If you don't behave like you will pay your debts then people are going to assume that you will not. Before you know it you won't be able to pay your debts even if you wanted to.
amarant•22m ago
At this point, nobody trusts the US to pay anything. I don't have an opinion on whether they'll be able to pay their debts, but that's largely irrelevant. I wouldn't bet on them actually paying anything. You can't trust America
justin66•14m ago
As far as I know, Trump is unique among American leaders in having mused stupidly in public about not paying all holders of US Treasury debt.

But I'm sure he would not do anything crazy. That's just inconceivable.

OrvalWintermute•4m ago
The Chinese still owe the US for railroad bonds.

A year or two of NATO countries increased contribution doesn't make up for decades of underinvestment ripoffs.

ben_w•8m ago
This "solution" looks like the same problem to people holding the debt.

Ergo, they increasingly do not want to hold that debt.

sorokod•7m ago
There is no chance US will need to take Greenland by force ( financial or military) , all it has to do is to increase the number of troops already stationed there by agreement.

Yet here we are.

rjzzleep•35m ago
The EU threw all its baskets into a war it didn't need to fight, destroyed its energy independence, it's weapons, it's airdefense and huge parts of its air force. I don't think they have a lot of cards to play.

There an interesting analysis on whether the EUs threats on financial markets actually bear any meaning here:

https://x.com/Kathleen_Tyson_/status/2013314168250675456

Edit: March 2022 peace deal that Boris Johnson sabotaged

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/06/15/world/europe/...

jacquesm•32m ago
What nonsense. We have plenty of cards to play and if 'having cards to play' is what stood between the USA and the relationship we had - or rather that we thought we had - for the last 70 years stood for something then that should not have been a factor in the first place.

This whole thing is due to one country not playing by the rulebook because they think they're big enough to fuck over the world. Guess what? No single country is big enough for that. Trump is way out of his depth when it comes to statesmanship and has replaced it with brinkmanship, that's not a valid substitute unless what you're looking for a a disaster.

cuu508•32m ago
What war are you referring to?
jonkoops•30m ago
It is a war we must fight now, and must continue to fight. It is a war against oppression, against autocrats squishing their population for servitude. If nobody steps up to protect Democratic values, and the freedom of the people for self-governance, it is a slippery slope to hell.
bell-cot•53m ago
It's only symbolism if you believe that there's a 0% chance of US/Denmark hostilities. Otherwise - d'oh, yes, you don't want to risk being stuck holding IOU's from your enemy, which he is rather likely to dishonor.
moogly•50m ago
In a "might makes right" world, Europe clearly needs more might, and then it makes sense to improve relations with China; not a lot of options.
alephnerd•47m ago
The EU can't mend ties with China without giving up on Ukraine as China's FM Wang Yi has stated [0] on multiple occasions [1]. Additionally, in the Chinese foreign policy space, the EU is viewed as weak as well [2], and largely through the lense of the US-China rivalry (which is how the US views the EU as well now).

[0] - https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3316875/ch...

[1] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-russia-discuss-ukr...

[2] - https://fddi.fudan.edu.cn/_t2515/57/f8/c21257a743416/page.ht...

sekai•45m ago
> The EU can't mend ties with China without giving up on Ukraine as China's FM Wang Yi has stated [0]

At the end of the day China cares more about Europe than Russia. Because that's where the real money is.

alephnerd•40m ago
At the end of the day, their Foreign Minister and their entire foreign policy apparatus has consistently stated they will prioritize Russia over the EU for national security reasons (Central Asia, North Korea, Japan).

The EU signing an FTA with India on Jan 27th is also a negative sign for China-EU relations.

petesergeant•31m ago
Foreign Ministries of all countries are known to speak the unvarnished truth at all time
wewxjfq•18m ago
Actions speak louder than words and China is supporting Russia.
ahartmetz•41m ago
Then we just need to wait until the Ukraine situation is over in one way or another. China doesn't give a shit about Russia except as a (pathetic) counterweight to the US, I think. I mean they probably care about Russia's natural resources, too, but somebody is going to sell them, including to China, no matter what. It's the biggest thing that Russia has going for it economically (cf. the resource curse).
alephnerd•38m ago
> China doesn't give a shit about Russia except as a (pathetic) counterweight to the US, I think

China needs to keep close ties with Russia due to national security interests in Central Asia and North Korea. Additionally, Russia maintains its autonomy by retaining military and economic ties with India and military deployments and listening bases in Vietnam and North Korea, which adds pressure on China to have to collaborate with Russia.

> ...counterweight to the US...

Chinese foreign policy is almost entirely viewed through the lens of the US-China rivalry. Europeans underestimate this to their peril. And to China, an unaligned Europe is still not pro-China enough.

moogly•35m ago
Well then us Europeans are fucked regardless I guess.

> Beijing did not want to see a Russian loss in Ukraine because it feared the United States would then shift its whole focus to Beijing

How does this statement make sense though? I don't see the A -> B. The US pretty clearly does not want to see a Russian loss either, and seems more fine with Ukraine losing.

It should depends on how much the US wants Europe?

If the US does not want more of Europe, and Russia wins, the US could let Russia take over Europe -> focus shifts to China.

If the US wants more of Europe, and Russia wins -> focus would be off China.

If the US does not want more of Europe, and Russia loses -> it's mostly whatever, but perhaps focus shifts to China.

If the US wants more of Europe, and Russia loses -> focus would be off China.

Perhaps I'm just really daft.

alephnerd•31m ago
> How does this statement make sense though? I don't see the A -> B. The US pretty clearly does not want to see a Russian loss either, and seems more fine with Ukraine losing.

Despite Trump, the US (and rivals of China like South Korea and Japan) have continued to supply the Ukrainian armed forces and their allies like Poland.

A protracted Russia-Ukraine War with the balance of power in favor of Russia means the US, SK, and JP remain bogged supplying Ukraine and it's allies like Poland and Romania, instead of diverting stock to the Asian front.

China and Russia are increasingly collaborating to respond against Japan should a conflict occur [0]

> It should depends on how much the US wants Europe?

The issue is both the US and China view the EU as a regional power that can be pushed around - not as an entity that can retain strategic autonomy.

This is the crux of the EU's current diplomatic malaise - neither the US nor China view the EU as an equal, but rather, as a junior partner.

> Perhaps I'm just really daft

I won't say daft, but the issue is Europeans view themselves as being deserving of being on the same table as the Americans and Chinese. Neither the Americans or Chinese see it that way now.

In order for the EU to build strategic autonomy, some very painful steps need to be taken which simply aren't being taken (as Draghi pessimistically pointed out a couple months ago) [1].

Additionally, periphery regions of the EU have increasingly started operating independently of the rest of the EU - as with China's CSPs with Spain [2] and Hungary [3] and India's defense alliances with Cyprus+Greece against Turkiye [4] - so a unified EU response is steadily degrading as members decide to take defense matters into their own hands.

[0] - https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-russia-discuss-ukr...

[1] - https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/business/20250916-mario...

[2] - http://en.cppcc.gov.cn/2025-11/13/c_1140641.htm

[3] - https://english.www.gov.cn/news/202405/10/content_WS663d3b83...

[4] - https://www.bankingnews.gr/amyna-diplomatia/articles/851003/...

atwrk•31m ago
Wang explicitly said that support for Russia in the war is about diverting the US focus from China. If the US shows it doesn't care about Ukraine's future (and Wang told the truth), then I doubt Chinas support will stay as is for long. At most it will be a bargain in the coming EU-China negotiations.
alephnerd•29m ago
Russia continues to be a significant player in North Korea and Central Asia as well, and this requires Russia-China cooperation. Additionally, if a hot conflit between the US+PH+JP+TW and China happens, China will have to utilize Russian supply and logistics chains to a certain extent (eg. the Poland-Xinjiang railway).
HarHarVeryFunny•35m ago
The US and France are both nuclear armed, including nuclear armed submarines, which are the ultimate defence deterrent.

It's hard to see any country wanting to get into conventional war with China, regardless of size of army and airforce - even the US is not going to do it unless actually attacked. At the end of the day if China seizes Taiwan (something Trump has made more likely by his seizing of Venezuala, now talking about Greenland, Cuba ..), then the US will just complain, create trade sanctions and/or tarrifs etc.

corimaith•28m ago
Literally every single one of Europe's prized industries are in the crosshairs of China's industrial ambitions.
Beretta_Vexee•13m ago
But none of its citizens nor territories for the moment.
Devasta•46m ago
"How did you go bankrupt? Two ways: gradually and then suddenly."

--Ernest Hemingway

wtcactus•40m ago
With Trump pressuring the independence of the central bank, this doesn't seem symbolism at all.

It might very well be that the USA will face a period of high inflation soon if we continue down this path of high government spending and no independent central bank to put a break on it.

And I can't even understand why this obsession of lowering interest rates in the USA. The economy is doing great, there's no shortage of investment money going around. There's really no reason to lower in the interest rates before we tackle the leftover inflation that still comes from the COVID measures.

It's Trump's personal insecurities playing again and not allowing anyone to tell him "no". What a child.

wnevets•39m ago
Trump is making China great again
vld_chk•36m ago
If this is a symbolism, then why 30YR Treasuries are YTH despite FED rate cuts throughout the year?
throw0101a•35m ago
> It's all a sliding slope until it reaches a breaking point and falls off like a cliff.

"How did you go bankrupt?"

"Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

* https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/102579-how-did-you-go-bankr...

HarHarVeryFunny•26m ago
Far more important, I'd say, are the European countries having already got together to discuss joint sanctions/tariffs against the USA (their nominal NATO partner) if Trump moves to seize Greenland.

Macron has also said that he wants no part of Trump's (billion dollar entrance fee) "peace board" that he's going to be pushing at Davos.

A divorce from the USA would certainly hurt Europe, but it will also hurt the USA and it's ability to defend itself if it loses access to European intelligence and ability to have forward located military bases and refueling locations.

The Republican's are really shooting themselves, and the US, in the foot here by not standing up to Trump and therefore indicating that all this craziness is Trump rather than an enduring US policy that they support. Even if they flip flop when Trump is out of office, the rest of the world is never going to trust the US again.

jacquesm•20m ago
Precisely. If the USA wants to be trusted at all it needs to act now or it will be too late. This is the precipice and without action from Congress & the Senate the rest of the world will make up their own mind about the country as a whole. This is probably one of the most expensive moments in history.
kwanbix•22m ago
It’s crazy to see how Trump has made the U.S. look like a worse partner than China, or at least just as bad.
complianceowl•21m ago
The EU and Canada is upset because of Trumps use of force to remove a dictator and acquire land via direct negotiations with Greenland natives. Their response? Develop a deeper relationship with a communist country and dictator who has literal concentration camps, slave-like working conditions for a large segment of its workers, complete disregard for the environment by polluting its oceans and swaths of government-sponsored fishing boats that empty the oceans of its fish via a complete disregard for abiding by commercial fishing regulations; subsidizes one of the most ruthless and oppressive regimes known to man -- North Korea, and uses the North Koreans to harvest organs for use in China.

I get it: Trump is a degenerate person, not a role model, and extremely brash, but people's hate for him has completely blinded them of basic reasoning. No, Trump is not Hitler or anything remotely close.

As Americans, we need to stop calling every political opponent that we disagree with Hitler.

etc-hosts•15m ago
I think we should all be more shocked the US kidnapped the leader of another country.
ogogmad•6m ago
> The EU and Canada is [sic] upset because of Trumps use of force [...] to acquire land via direct negotiations with Greenland natives

Liar and scoundrel. Opinion polls suggest 85% of Greenlanders oppose the territory joining the US.

SpicyLemonZest•5m ago
[delayed]
qwertox•7m ago
It's like Trump and his followers are not aware how fragile this entire system is, and if they are aware, they don't seem to be aware of the risks, and that the most likely outcome is that the world is in a less good condition than before. A big child that got the wish granted to play president.
dudeinjapan•1h ago
OK you asked for it Denmark. I'm selling all my legos.
jacquesm•13m ago
There are times when jokes are inappropriate, this is such a time.
GuinansEyebrows•1h ago
https://archive.is/iU6PQ
csantini•57m ago
So much American exceptionalism is just the Dollar exceptionalism.

Without the G7 piling up dollars, there is no American exceptionalism.

csantini•55m ago
At some point the US will lose the Dollar, and it will turn out that US productivity is just like everyone else's.
raincole•47m ago
Dollar is the exception because the US is the exception (partially from luck, partially from its inherited geographical advantage), not the other way around.
throw20251220•53m ago
Someone should tell the orange guy that we can also stop respecting our obligations. It’s a two way street. It would be a shame if something happened to your ITAR-protected secrets, for example. The US would lose a lot of leverage if they cannot use European military bases. Let’s see how fast Trump goes to bed with Putin…
ahartmetz•34m ago
I don't think that Trump could get into bed with Putin. He could get out of bed with Putin.
throw20251220•15m ago
Oh, I know. Let’s see how fast he tries to make Putin the good guy on Fox News. What are these rednecks going to do when MAGA goes into bed with Ruzzians! Cold War warriors gonna flip out.

Just impeach the guy already. His mental capabilities aren’t far off Biden’s at the end.

jacquesm•11m ago
You are already not respecting your obligations. It's a two way street.
throw20251220•9m ago
“I want a Nobel prize”. Who asked for help in fucking Iraq up, and got it? Who needed help in Afghanistan, and got it? Oh yeah, we’re not respecting. We’re not respecting the orange bully toddler clown, my fellow dear human being. One day like this, another day the opposite.
epolanski•50m ago
I personally have dumped every single US security I held in the last 2 years, US bonds have been the latest to go in the last week.

Mind you I'm a small investor (my portfolio is 100k-ish euros). I'm still exposed to US securities through ETFs though, as I have 3 different ones holding US companies, but that I ain't gonna sell them.

But for new capital I may as well provide it to others.

oxqbldpxo•46m ago
If they are doing it, I'm doing it also.
lateforwork•43m ago
This quote from Trump is very revelatory:

“I’m a real estate developer, I look at a corner, I say, ‘I’ve got to get that store for the building that I’m building,’ etc. It’s not that different. I love maps. And I always said: ‘Look at the size of this. It’s massive. That should be part of the United States.’”

Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2026/01/20/us/politics/trump-greenla...

anabab•17m ago
Ah, it is all Mercator's fault
thrance•13m ago
Insane that you're getting downvoted for simply quoting POTUS now.
dwa3592•41m ago
It's a pretty respectable fund and will make other pension funds rethink their strategies.
mmaunder•39m ago
For context foreign total holdings are around 9T and domestic around 30T. Uk and japan are the largest foreign holders at around 1.7T between them. This is a 100M divestment.
markus_zhang•38m ago
Side topic: I absolutely hate these large “Allow Ads” screen - you can’t even go back on iPhone Safari , which hides the interface unless the user pulls down the whole page - which you can’t because you can only pull down the Allow Ads page.
eggy•34m ago
It's not like the EU can go to China for the $64 to $94bn in mineral fuels and oils (LNG, crude oil) they import from the U.S. Or the aerospace products and parts $35-46bn they import. Or the $45-$52bn in pharmaceuticals and medicines and advanced biologics (unless they go all in on generics, but this is only part of that sum). The list goes on and on. Germany trying to reboot their nuclear energy infrastructure, but it's a bit too late to help this winter, and they're the third largest consumer in the world after the US and and China. India is 8th.

The US imports a lot from Mexico, 15.5% of the total $3.36 trillion of US import, right here in the Americas. The EU about imports are about 18.5%.

Merz's mother-of-all-deals needs to have India lower its imposed tariffs on Germany of 100-150% on autos, which would cut against India if the new FTA goes through by Q2 2026.

May you live in interesting times is a wish or curse coming to fruition...

danny_codes•18m ago
Not in one year no, but in 5-10 years, certainly. Solar is cheaper than coal in China today and they blew through their capacity targets. I was just there and the EV adoption is phenomenal. The buses, even some heavy trucks are EV.

If this pace keeps up for 10 years I don’t see how methane will be useful in the energy sector. Let’s face it, we’re investing in a dying industry. In 20 years our kids (or grandkids) will laugh at any country burning methane to make electricity.

im3w1l•33m ago
This sundering of US-European relationship feels like watching a trainwreck in slowmotion. It's all so stupid and avoidable. Is there really nothing that can be done?
kevin061•29m ago
Democracy. The people have spoken. Americans wanted this.
petesergeant•27m ago
The Supreme Court can rule Trump’s ability to unilaterally impose tariffs illegal (and they’ll be ruling one way or the other very very soon).
jacquesm•10m ago
Of course there is. Less than 500 Americans can stop your nightmare tomorrow morning. If they just do their jobs.
forty•21m ago
Feels like the right direction, pull all European money from the US, hope that financial and economical consequences convince US citizens to deal with their president as he deserves. It will decrease profits short term but certainly will have less negative impact than letting that guy in power.
jacquesm•16m ago
Keep in mind that there are many such 10 to 100 billion funds and they can move very fast if they have to. If the feeling is that the value of the USD is going to be lower in the near future they will divest and before you know it the threat becomes reality simply because it is predicated on a belief. Kill the belief and the actions will follow automatically. This could be the first and it could be the only or it could be the first of many.
OrvalWintermute•9m ago
The Monroe Doctrine stated, under Polk, that the Euros should not interfere with territorial expansionism of the US in the Western hemisphere, even if it came at their expense.

The Roosevelt Corollary stated likewise the US would police any Latin American country's mismanagement.

Yet, all these people are proclaiming a certain person a warmonger instead of completely in line with historical US policy.