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Germany Forces Lexus to Remotely Kill Car Heating in Dead of Winter

https://www.gadgetreview.com/germany-forces-lexus-to-remotely-kill-car-heating-in-dead-of-winter
12•josephcsible•1h ago

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ericd•55m ago
Another incentive to go buy an EV.
ActorNightly•51m ago
EVs still are less than half the utility of normal cars. Until charging becomes as standard as filling your car (i.e don't have to go find a charger, every gas station has one, and so on), no matter what the advantage they give you it won't overcome that fact.
andrewflnr•45m ago
> half the utility

Utility measured how? Be specific.

doublepg23•50m ago
With the cold snap in the eastern US I'm quickly learning EVs range and charging short comings in below freezing weather.
Svip•46m ago
Isn't it more an incentive to buy an older car that cannot be controlled remotely? You know, a car that can be fixed with a spanner.
avs733•52m ago
That is a wildly misleading headline…
mook•48m ago
Specifically, it's disabling remote start, rather than the actual heating.
baxtr•51m ago
I think, of all the problems we have right now in the world, this might be one of the smaller ones.

Also note that the X account highlighted in the article is a well known "agitator" (for the lack of a better word) stirring rage on topics like that.

cyberpunk•49m ago
Fortunately there are only approximately 5 lexus cars in all Germany.

My audi can do this without the engine running I dunno why lexus cant…

Nursie•48m ago
That's quite a clickbaity headline!

It's forcing lexus to disable the remote starting of ICE vehicles so that they can be idled and warm-up pre-use.

Idling is regulated in a bunch of places, for reasons of emissions and air pollution. For instance it's illegal to park up and idle your engine on a public road in the UK.

Is this move by the German government reasonable? I'm not sure, but it's not completely out of the blue, or as severe as the headline would lead you to believe.

zorked•47m ago
At the very least, the incendiary tone makes this article suspect.
eesmith•11m ago
Agreed. Like "Just when it got cold and people needed it!" when I've never owned a car with remote start and somehow survived cold and snowy winters.
andrewflnr•46m ago
While I understand the concern...

> regulators who decided warming up your car counts as environmental terrorism.

... this is rather hyperbolic. They decided it counts as excess emissions. That's debatable but it's a pretty strong case.

Anyway, yeah, don't connect your car to the Internet. Including for remote starting.

galacticdessert•46m ago
The tone in the article is so off. We are clearly headed for a climate disaster, being whiners about having to manually de ice your windshield is so very childish.

I understand there is a broader topic of regulators impacting what can and can’t be done but isn’t that just having a government?

EdSchouten•45m ago
That’s great! People who do that are often inconsiderate of how it affect others. First of all, it generates unnecessary noise, which is annoying for neighbors who are still trying to sleep. Pedestrians/cyclists also need to breathe those exhaust gases.
mmooss•44m ago
Looking at Gadget Review's front page, stories are a bit creative and sensational. The article is not a news report, but an anti-green diatribe; for example:

> Your luxury car just became the latest battlefield in Europe’s climate wars, where bureaucrats decide which buttons work in your own vehicle. The real question isn’t whether remote start causes pollution—it’s whether you still own the features you bought.

There are still real questions here. I wonder how the feature was sold in the first place. Does it predate the relevant laws?

Also, what would it take to add an aftermarket electric engine warmer? I know people in some northern climates have accessories that plug in and warm the engine, but maybe those come with the car.

computatrum•10m ago
Preheating is not in general forbidden in Germany, but you need a proper stationary heating system (can be even combustion based). Lexus probably has implemented it with the main combustion engine as remote start, which is a poor-man solution and considered inefficient and illegal.

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