The point is that you'll have one anyway (your phone), so the other is to make it more powerful. But I can imagine some cases where it is suboptimal (you need a MFA token read off your phone for a web page login?).
While this phone still does not have an Armv9-A CPU, but only a quadruple Cortex-A78, that is nonetheless like 4 to 10 times faster than the phones mentioned by you and faster than a light notebook of a decade ago.
The other Linux phones are barely competitive with a laptop of 25 years ago and they are not really usable as a personal computer today, unless you like waiting for your computer.
Librem 5 is my daily driver btw.
If you have modest requirements, you can be content with such a CPU, e.g. for reading and editing simple documents or browsing the Internet with scripting disabled.
The point is that there is no need to restrain yourself to cope with its limitations, because for more than a decade there have been much better alternatives.
Even when your target is a sub-$100 computer, it makes no sense to use any CPU weaker than a quadruple Cortex-A76, like in the many computer models using Rockchip CPUs or in the current Raspberry Pi. While there are much more sources of Cortex-A76 based computers, the number of those offering much faster Cortex-A78 based CPUs using Qualcomm or Mediatek SoCs, including this smartphone, are steadily increasing.
Where are those alternatives? Which phones with a better CPU can run GNU/Linux?
So, for OnePlus, you may stop getting updates for proprietary drivers whenever the vendor decides so. Also, not all features are supported due to the difficulty of reverse-engineering the drivers.
I can imagine that after a really long time, most vulnerabilities might be found, but I don't believe I will live long enough to see that for relevant drivers.
I don't know that it's a known phrase, I find it odd you searched for it as I would have thought the meaning would have been obvious. Bugs are found generally within the developer mandated lifespan of the device, more bugs are found closer to release with less being found over time.
There might still be vulnerabilities, but that would be just as true for open source ones, because in both cases no one is really looking for them.
Can you find any unpatched vulnerabilities for any of the OnePlus devices that PMOS runs on? I doubt it. They may exist, but they may exist i your Librem also.
Why are you so sure? Not everybody shares vulnerabilities with the world. Some people keep them for themselves or sell on the black market. I doubt OnePlus offer a reasonable payment for that.
I don't think you have much of a point at all, but I also don't see this discussion going anywhere interesting so I'll leave it at that.
I don't dispute that. However, if you take into account that Google (who create Pixel devices) is a part of Prism, GrapheneOS users could likely be targeted in another way.
But next year GrapheneOS will be releasing an OEM phone.
emrekosmaz•2w ago
Write-up with background + rationale: https://nexphone.com/blog/the-tale-of-nexphone-one-phone-eve...
Curious what HN thinks about the tradeoffs here: dual-boot vs virtualization, Linux as an app vs full replaceable OS, and what the “killer workflow” is for a phone-as-PC device. Would love to hear use-cases / critiques.
shams93•2w ago
necovek•2w ago
I don't care about Windows, but it's useful if I want to deal with a Windows only app (a few from the government locally).
necovek•2w ago
fsflover•1w ago
adrian_b•1w ago
Cortex-A78 is in a totally different class of "powerful", when compared with Cortex-A53. Cortex-A53 has not been designed as a top performer among Arm CPUs, but only as a low-power core. Even at its launch, in 2012, 14 years ago, Cortex-A53 was much slower than the older big Arm cores, like Cortex-A15 from 2010. I am aware of this from direct experience, because a decade ago I have developed software on several SBCs with Cortex-A53, including Raspberry Pi, and also on an ODROID model with Cortex-A15, which ran circles around them, and unlike them it delivered a passable desktop experience.
On the other hand, at its launch in 2020, Cortex-A78 was faster than any older Arm CPU cores. It was then surpassed by the Cortex-X1 launched simultaneously with it, and then by the Apple M1, launched later that year.
Even if some enthusiasts have used old Raspberry Pi and similar SBCs with Cortex-A53 as PCs, that was really not wise as they were too slow for a comfortable use and there were faster alternatives with a similar price (after you added the cost of all required peripherals).
necovek•1w ago
necovek•2w ago
I'd also want more built-in, fast storage (2tb) to keep my basic data always with me (photos, documents...).
zb3•2w ago
Does the bootloader implement fastboot? Is it unlockable? What does the partition layout look like?
I suppose the actual magic has to happen in the "abl" part and this is where it gets very interesting, but these announcements were extremely light on details..
DANmode•1w ago
Always seems to be the weak point making new entrants.
2) Please don’t add too many days to the patch interval of these OS, if any.
3) How will the hardware security rival the Pixel line?
Wishing you success!