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Talking to LLMs has improved my thinking

https://philipotoole.com/why-talking-to-llms-has-improved-my-thinking/
39•otoolep•2h ago

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Klaster_1•54m ago
This article matches my experience as well. Chatting with LLM has helped me to crystalize ideas I had before and explore relevant topics to widen the understanding. Previously, I wouldn't even know where to begin with when getting curious about something, but ChatGPT can tell you if your ideas have names, if they were explored previously, what primary sources there are. It's like a rabbit hole of exploring the world, a more interconnected one where barriers of entry to knowledge are much lower. It even made me view things I previously thought of as ultra boring in different, more approachable manner - for example, I never liked writing, school essays were a torture, and now I may even consider doing that out of my own will.
snek_case•51m ago
In the early 2000s Wikipedia used to fill that role. Now it's like you have an encyclopedia that you can talk to.

What I'm slightly worried about is that eventually they are going to want to monetize LLMs more and more, and it's not going to be good, because they have the ability to steer the conversation towards trying to get you to buy stuff.

deadbabe•44m ago
Enshittification is always inevitable in a capitalist world, but not always easy to predict how it will happen.
idiotsecant•40m ago
It's also inevitable that better and better open source models will be distilled as frontier models advance.
pmarreck•24m ago
> they are going to want to monetize LLMs more and more

Not only can you run reasonably intelligent models on recent relatively powerful PC's "for free", but advances are undoubtedly coming that will increase the efficient use of memory and CPU in these things- this is all still early-days

Also, some of those models are "uncensored"

Klaster_1•8m ago
One of the approaches to this that I haven't seen being talked about on HN at all is LLM as public infrastructure by the government. I think EU can pull this off. This also addresses overall alignment and compute-poverty issue. I wouldn't mind if my taxes paid for that instead of a ChatGPT subscription.
gradus_ad•23m ago
Increasingly I'm of the opinion that the best existing "product" analogy for LLM's is coffee.

Coffee is a universally available, productivity enhancing commodity. There are some varieties certainly, but at the end of the day, a bean is a bean. It will get the job done. Many love it, many need it, but it doesn't really cost all that much. Where people get fancy is in all the fancy but unnecessary accoutrements for the brewing of coffee. Some choose to spend a lot on appliances that let you brew at home rather than relying on some external provider. But the quality is really no different.

Apparently global coffee revenue comes out to around $500B. I would not be surprised if that is around what global AI revenue ends up being in a few years.

afro88•7m ago
I'm not great with math beyond high school level. But I am very interested in, among many things, analog synthesiser emulations. The "zero delay filter" was a big innovation in the mid 2000s that led to a big jump in emulation accuracy.

I tried to understand how they work and hit a brick wall. Recently I had a chat with an LLM and it clicked. I understand how the approximation algorithm works that enables solving for the next sample without the feedback paradox of needing to know it's value to complete the calculation.

Just one example of many.

It's similar to sitting down with a human and being able to ask questions that they patiently answer so you can understand the information in the context of what you already know.

This is huge for students if educational institutions can get past the cheating edge of the double edged sword.

ziofill•53m ago
Finally I can relate to someone’s experience. For me even playing with image generators has improved my imagination.
hbarka•51m ago
I share the sentiment here about LLMs helping to surface personal tacit knowledge and the same time there was a popular post[1] yesterday about cognitive debt when using AI. It's hard not to be in agreement with both ideas.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46712678

dartharva•49m ago
Of course it has, I doubt this is uncommon.

All my childhood I dreamed of a magic computer that could just tell me straightforward answers to non-straightforward questions like the cartoon one in Courage the Cowardly Dog. Today it's a reality; I can ask my computer any wild question and get a coherent, if not completely correct, answer.

thorum•46m ago
I agree that LLMs can be useful companions for thought when used correctly. I don’t agree that LLMs are good at “supplying clean verbal form” of vaguely expressed, half-formed ideas and that this results in clearer thinking.

Most of the time, the LLM’s framing of my idea is more generic and superficial than what I was actually getting at. It looks good, but when you look closer it often misses the point, on some level.

There is a real danger, to the extent you allow yourself to accept the LLM’s version of your idea, that you will lose the originality and uniqueness that made the idea interesting in the first place.

I think the struggle to frame a complex idea and the frustration that you feel when the right framing eludes you, is actually where most of the value is, and the LLM cheat code to skip past this pain is not really a good thing.

spiderfarmer•35m ago
LLM’s are tools. A huge differentiator between professionals in any profession is how well they know their tools.

But one of the first things to understand about power tools is to know all the ways in which they can kill you.

nurettin•34m ago
I often discuss ideas with peers that I trust to be strong critical thinkers. Putting the idea through their filters of scrutiny quickly exposes vulnerabilities that I'd have to patch on the spot, sometimes revealing weaknesses resulting from bad assumptions.

I started to use LLMs in a similar fashion. It is a different experience. Where a human would deconstruct you for fun, the LLM tries to engage positively by default. Once you tell it to say it the way it is, you get the "honestly, this may fail and here's why".

To my assessment, an LLM is better than being alone in a task and that is the value proposition.

vishnugupta•43m ago
I can somewhat relate to this in the sense that LLMs help me explore different paths of my thought process. The only way to do this earlier was to actually sit down and write it all out and carefully look for gaps. But now the fast feedback loop of LLMs speeds up this process. At times it even shows some path which I hadn't thought of. Or it firms up a direction which I thought only had vague connection.

To take one concrete example, it helped me get a well rounded picture of how British despite having such low footprint in India (at their peak there were about 150K of them) were able to colonise it with 300+ million population.

lighthouse1212•38m ago
The counterpoint about 'polished generic framings' is real, but I think there's a middle path: using the LLM as a sparring partner rather than an answer machine. The value isn't in accepting the first response - it's in the back-and-forth. Push back on the generic framing. Ask 'what's wrong with what you just said?' The struggle to articulate doesn't disappear; it just gets a more responsive surface to push against.
ziml77•2m ago
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visarga•21m ago
That's my main usage for LLMs, they are usually intellectual sparring partners or researching my ideas to see who came up with them before and how they thought about them. So it's debate and literature research.

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