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Bye Bye Gmail

https://m24tom.com/bye-bye-gmail/show
42•tklenke•1h ago

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tklenke•1h ago
Recently I was surprised to see a Google Gemini summary at the top of my email on my phone. A day or two later this appeared in my web client as well. Look, I love our new overlords (for the record m'lords I nearly always use please and thank you. I was an early adopter. I still am a frequent user..I mean someone who has all the answers and blows smoke up my ass..perfect right!

Despite that, it appears it's not good for me (https://www.media.mit.edu/publications/your-brain-on-chatgpt...) It's great, it's easy, makes me feel good in the moment..of course it's bad for me!

Here's the thing. I like to read things from my friends that they have taken the time to write. I personally hate texting. All the nuance is gone. Often the humor. Sad. Makes me want to have a beer with you...eye contact...blech. The LAST thing I want is a summary...at the top of the email...highlighted..that I CANNOT turn off.

I tried to turn it off. I can. It's under `Gmail -> Settings -> General -> Smart Features (checkbox)`. BUT..the AI summaries is now grouped with the Smart Tabs.

For those of you who do not use Gmail Smart Tabs, Smart Tabs (officially the Tabbed Inbox) have been part of Gmail since 2013; well actually the technology behind them—Smart Labels—actually debuted two years earlier. (Thank you Gemini, yes I DO truly love you. Tell me again about the comparisons of Stephen Miller and Heinrich Himmler's tactics please?)

Smart Tabs automatically sort my incoming flood of solicited commercial email (cue laughter from those who know my first start-up) into five buckets:

* Primary: Email from you. * Promotions: K&L Wine Merchants at the top of the list. * Social: Hi Andrew on Facebook (that I only log into from Firefox running on a VM). * Update: Actual transactional emails from companies. * Forums: The Information at the top of the list (a newsletter I'd like to read but don't want to make the time justify paying for the content).

I tried turning off Smart Features and oh my, that's not usable. So I lived with the AI summary at the top. For a week. Then this morning, I saw several messages in my Primary tab that normally get sorted into Promotions, Social, Updates or Forums. This is not unheard of; sometimes a company uses a new incoming address or something and stuff gets put in the wrong bucket.

But THIS time, I got a popup that says I must "Share" this message with Google and links to the Privacy Policy and Google Terms of Service. And an explicit sentence: "Messages and attachments might be reviewed by humans, so don't share any sensitive or confidential information."

I'm not naive. I'm an early adopter, my email address includes my name and no numbers. I AM a direct marketer. From the get-go, having Google read my email in order to provide targeted advertising was part of the deal. I was fine with that.

BUT...now...what they are saying is that...we are going to use your email to train our LLMs. I'm not okay with that. That knowledge of my way of writing, my personal details, my confidential commercial information is NOT okay to use to train your models. 'Cause I expect mistakes will be made and more information will reside in the model than those at Google (or FB, MSFT etc) intended. And I'm not really up for assuming that risk.

So...goodbye Gmail. It's been great. Really great. I'm sure I'll miss you. Bye.

My email is now being hosted by Microsoft, so hopefully will be free of the outages and limits some of you have experienced with that email in the past. There it will reside until I cannot turn off MSFT's ability to read my email. Then I guess it's off to Switzerland ( [https://proton.me/about](https://proton.me/about) ); my email can be with my gold. JK.

Tom

p.s. why thank you Gemini for reformatting that for me into a clean, engaging markdown blog post. Yes, I do agree this is a sharp, timely take on the "AI-ification" of tools we use every day. I love you. Kill me last?

CTOSian•1h ago
you can use your gmail on zoho, they have some low cost plans
mapontosevenths•29m ago
How will that prevent google from training AI's on his data?
shawn_w•34m ago
Other long-time features are now tied to having those stupid summaries enabled too. It's an all or nothing deal. So frustrating and unnecessary.
throwaway2056•34m ago
> I tried turning off Smart Features and oh my, that's not usable.

Why? What did it do?

This is the problem. Overload. It is not a google problem. If you get 200 emails - even without AI - just by using Thunderbird or k9mail (android) it will be a problem.

edit: https://support.google.com/mail/answer/15604322?hl=en

I cannot find that "Messages and attachments might be reviewed by humans, so don't share any sensitive or confidential information."

anywhere.

Of course, there is nothing wrong about changing the provider. Variety is good.

B1FIDO•26m ago
I had Smart Features enabled for years. Years! They worked okay. They put good accurate stuff on my calendar and so there was useful work being done by the AI in background.

Unfortunately, in the past few months, Gemini AI really started shoving its way in. And there were some features that were really unpalatable, that were basically dealbreakers for this. Yeah, I believe the "AI Summaries" had a lot to do with it. They were bad, misleading, and I did not want them crowding up my app.

I couldn't disable those features without disabling Smart Features entirely. So that's what I did.

So now I sort of suffer without the automatic email event-calendar integrations, and the other cool stuff that AI had provided, but it's totally usable. I have no trouble using it as an email service with that AI disabled. It works fine.

Anyway, it is no secret that Google has always used the text of our emails for their own marketing and analysis purposes. Always has. Why did you think Gmail was a free service? Obviously, you were paying for it! We all paid for it with our email content!

sodapopcan•34m ago
It would have been nicer if this was about a general Google boycott in general, but this will do too.
throw7•25m ago
"My email is now being hosted by Microsoft..."

Out of the pan, into the fire.

my recommendation: i've been happily using fastmail for years.

andrewchilds•13m ago
Maybe it’s just me, but I have serious issue with Fastmail’s spam filtering. Meaning, it seems that I am the spam filter. I find myself considering closing the account on a regular basis because of it.

I am also extremely frustrated with Gmail’s AI features now being apparently impossible to disable.

rationalist•10m ago
Fastmail's spam filter has been better than Gmail's spam filter in my experience.
ziml77•10m ago
Seconding Fastmail here.

Microsoft is an insane choice, just look at what they've done with Windows and their Office suite.

autoexec•7m ago
Yeah I laughed when I saw he'd moved to MS, but I'd love to get some more alternatives.

My ISP has already said they're going to stop providing email service at some point in the near future and I'll have to migrate at some point. In the past I'd picked up a cheap domain and self-hosted for a bit, but I'd love to not have to. Any good email providers out there that actually respect their customers and support IMAP?

codingjoe•23m ago
#di_day #ccc ;)
latchkey•18m ago
I'm very happy with MimeStream. I get gmail, without the UX of gmail, and something that I can command-tab into, instead of a browser window.
nelsonfigueroa•10m ago
Looked up Mimestream. So it's a subscription-based app that basically gives you nicer UI/UX for your google emails. Oof.
r0b05•13m ago
Is it easy and advisable to host your own email server on vps?
rationalist•8m ago
I am no expert, but from what I've read...

Easy: I don't think so.

Advisable: Hell no.

I believe you have to constantly maintain it, and good luck with deliverability.

Anyone: correct me if I'm wrong.

nine_k•4m ago
OK, while I briefly have a bit of your attention: what would you advise to use instead? What I need:

* Server-side filters.

* Tags. No, not folders. Many of my emails have 2-3 tags, some have 4-5. I wonder if it can even map to IMAP4; I see a few ways to model it.

* Good deliverability.

* Reasonable spam protection.

* Not hugely expensive. Ideally near-free, or self-hosted.

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