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Iran Protest Death Toll Could Top 30k, According to Local Health Officials

https://time.com/7357635/more-than-30000-killed-in-iran-say-senior-officials/
150•mhb•1h ago

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inshard•45m ago
Very tragic. May the souls that gave their lives for freedom live in the memory of the people of Iran as a blessing.
curiousObject•37m ago
The simple absence of on the ground reports from a variety of independent sources tells me that these numbers should not be simply ignored.

If there’s nothing happening, then the obvious way for the authorities to prove that is to let observers in, and let independent information out. They do not do this, so I will take these reports of deaths more seriously.

MPSimmons•35m ago
How many on the government side, I wonder. There are wars that haven't killed so many people. This seems like another revolution.
Bender•34m ago
I guess this will be a difficult question to ask. I have no doubt the numbers are high but there is something odd about the videos that leak out. The sound of the guns are enhanced for psychological effect? and in the cases where a gunner on a truck is moving down a road purportedly mowing people down there is no blood on the road where the protestors had been standing, no bodies and we never see the people being shot. It's not like I want to see people being shot but I've also seen a lot of fake mass shooting videos in the past decade. There's no shortage of real uncensored footage of killing in Ukraine. Why is everything censored for Iran?
GaggiX•24m ago
I don't like promoting gore websites but in watchpeopledie and search Iran you can count yourself at least hundreds of body from all the videos, often in a single location, usually the aftermath.
aaomidi•23m ago
Because the internet is out so it’s extremely difficult to get the footage out.

There is footage slowly trickling out.

almogo•20m ago
Ukraine was historically more or less a free-for-all as far as front-line cinema is concerned.

I have to imagine the situation in Iran is more difficult for a few reasons:

1. Gen AI is much better today than it was in 2022. So, both sides can generate much more realistic fakes.

2. There was an article here on HN about Iran's internet slowly coming back on a whitelist basis. We're probably getting more pro-Government videos now than we were at the beginning of the current events.

3. Further crackdown on Starlink minimizes authentic leaks (I only heard about this and have no way to confirm how impactful this really is)

I'll add my own anecdotal agreement with your suspicion though - the footage coming out of Iran has been, for me, more difficult than other conflicts to piece together into a cohesive story. Western countries are claiming 30k+ dead, and while I don't necessarily reject the claim, the situation on the ground is still very blurry to me.

ogogmad•33m ago
That's way higher than I thought. Is there any evidence? Dresden was 25,000, and the V2 and V1 campaigns had less numbers. So this is high even for an aerial bombing campaign.

[edit] I don't get why I'm getting downvoted. Are people making assumptions because I mentioned Dresden? Get a hold of yourself.

npn•24m ago
You can't ask that here.

Also, it is way funnier when you remember that Iran cut of its internet a few weeks ago. And yet somehow a random US organization still know the situation like they witness them at the front seat.

ogogmad•17m ago
> You can't ask that here.

Why?

firejake308•33m ago
> As of Saturday, the U.S.-based Human Rights Activists News Agency said it had confirmed 5,459 deaths and is investigating 17,031 more.

The 30,000 number comes from the Ministry of Health. It seems the UN number also aligns with the new 30,000 number. This is much worse than the 3,000 that was reported earlier. But it also seems like the crackdown is over now, and we're still just counting deaths from Jan 8 and 9.

I compare this to the recent protests in Bangladesh, where Sheikh Hasina ordered the military to shoot the protesters and the military refused. The difference between these two countries is proof that people do have the ability to disobey orders from authoritarian leaders, and that decision can have a huge impact.

aaomidi•30m ago
Main difference is that a good chunk do the crackdown was done by bringing in katib hezbollah from surrounding countries.
geremiiah•20m ago
> The 30,000 number comes from the Ministry of Health.

Then why does the article say that they couldn't independently verify the number and that the only source is a German-Iranian eye doctor?

reliabilityguy•13m ago
The difference is that IR didn’t use Artesh (it’s military) to suppress the protests. They bused in its proxy militias from Iraq, who doesn’t care much who to shoot.
pydry•1m ago
>The 30,000 number comes from the Ministry of Health.

It allegedly comes from people from that ministry who were talking to TIME.

TIME is unlikely to have too many contacts in Iran, so I would imagine their contact was mediated by the state department. i.e. the same people gearing up for an Iraq-style invasion.

Later on TIME adds:

>TIME has been unable to independently verify these figures.

tobrien6•31m ago
The Islamic clampdown on the Iranian people has gone on for too long. The younger generation is willing to die for their freedom. The internet is locked down, satellite comms jammed with Chinese tech. The streets smell of blood. Police and imported Arab thugs open fire into crowds of protestors. Hospitals are systematically raided to finish off the wounded.

It will be his greatest act as president if Trump sends real assistance, as the Iranian people are begging him. It will save countless lives. Either way, in the end, Persia will rise again, the lion will raise its head, the brutality of Islamic oppression will be cast off, and the world will come to know the true spirit of these people.

31337Logic•6m ago
I hope you're right.
bothemer•28m ago
On January 8, 2026, the digital sky went dark. I thought we are pushing the boundaries of the tech world and have super powers when needed. I was so wrong.

This is Iran's third total internet shutdown, but the methodology has evolved into something far more surgical. They didn't just block IP addresses; they severed BGP routes, killed mobile data, and effectively jammed Starlink signals into a dead zone thanks to Russian imports. When the signal itself is murdered, your Tor bridges and VPNs become expensive paperweights.

As builders, we are being out-engineered. We have grown complacent, assuming the "always-on" cloud is a fundamental constant of the universe. But if your software requires a remote handshake to function, it is a liability, not a tool, in a crisis zone. Every application built with heavy reliance on centralized APIs vaporizes the moment the backbone is cut.

We must stop designing for the "connected" illusion and start building for the darkness.

This is my plea to the HN community: stop treating "offline-first" as a niche feature and start treating it as a human right. We need robust, decentralized mesh networks that bypass state-controlled gateways entirely. We need isolated documentation tools and local-first databases that can sync via Bluetooth or physical handoffs.

Build for the 212 regions that went dark last year so that the next time a state pulls the plug, the people aren't left helpless.

a throwaway account for obvious reasons (they have also Chinese tech to track); make your code work when the world goes quiet.

airstrike•26m ago
as much as I like the ideas behind this comment—I'm building my own software to be offline-first, after all—I can't stand the ChatGPT veneer.

I charitably assume you used it for translation, but I wanted you to know that AI "voice" is grating to a lot of people

luckylion•15m ago
I disagree. Build for your target audience and your targeted application. We don't need for every vehicle to be off-road-capable when you're expecting to deliver cargo on paved roads. We can do that, but it will make things more complex and more expensive.

I'm not saying that nobody should ever consider "the state cuts off the internet" as a criteria when deciding what to do, but making that a foundational requirement is like starting out with "handle google-scale" as a requirement when you have zero reason to believe you will.

There are plenty of good reasons for local first apps, but "build for darkness" is pretty far down the list for me.

tomasphan•14m ago
How would you communicate using an offline app?
trash_cat•12m ago
BitChat comes to mind.
Noaidi•6m ago
With your mouth?
RicoElectrico•7m ago
Shameless plug: start with https://comaps.app/ . Recently I helped a woman find an address because she told me there's some problem with her internet connection.

I think having an offline map of at least the region you live in can come in handy. In fact, I carry an old phone with impressive battery life (Samsung Galaxy A10) and offline maps installed on it so I don't get lost.

Noaidi•6m ago
> As builders, we are being out-engineered.

The funny part of engineers is that they always think that, at some point, they will reach perfect engineering.

The best engineering already exists and you do not need to do a thing. Code will not save you from the shtstorm that is coming.

radicalethics•24m ago
I feel like the period between 2019 through to today (2019-2026), human death tolls have paralleled prior twentieth century death tolls. Numbers that sound like tens of thousands, and even millions if you count Ukraine/Russia.
chrisjj•24m ago
By now we should be able to determine the number by satellite imagery.
jeswin•19m ago
What explains the silence from activists outside Iran on this particular issue? I see relatively limited coverage on global media. Iranians seem to be fighting this alone, and dying by the thousands.

Perhaps we know, but the reasons will be unpopular.

kelipso•11m ago
Probably the activists are hesitant because the US is rearing to start a war with Iran (that will certainly kill way more civilians) and they don’t want to contribute to that decision.
31337Logic•9m ago
Religion and virtue signaling.
behnamoh•8m ago
Because Persians are fighting islam (they're burning down mosques).

and the islamic regime was a sponsor of previous pro-palestine movements.

leftists don't find this an appealing mix. they'd rather blame Israel for everything, but here we see Iranians siding with the Israelis because they've seen what islam does to their country.

Noaidi•4m ago
People are not being told to be outraged about it via whatever social media platform.
mc32•12m ago
At 30,000 I would expect nation-wide campus protests in US campus --mirroring the ones for similar numbers for palestine, but they remain extraordinarily uninterested in this but instead seem perturbed that the US arrested the illegitimate president of venezuela. So far we have an unusually low frequency on the news cycle about the goings on over there.
baby•8m ago
Why US campus? Everyone can protest about something, did you do it?
watwut•6m ago
Interesting bad faith attempt.

Really, it is mysterious why would American students protest against something America actively does and supports, something their schools support rather then ... something another country not actively supported by America does.

Noaidi•1m ago
Why would a US college student care about a revolution where the US is not involved in providing the weapons that are killing the protestors?

You think that what is happening in Iran, and the genocide by the united states and Israel of the Palestinians is the same?

doughnutstracks•2m ago
Despite feeling deeply for Iranians living under this oppressive regime and in the aftermath of the protests, I can’t help but think about how current media coverage of Iran compares to the way major outlets amplified questionable claims in the lead-up to the Iraq War in 2003.

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