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Judge order bars feds from altering or destroying evidence in Pretti shooting

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/01/25/alex-pretti-shooting-judge-grants-restraining-order-on-altering-evidence
48•hn_acker•1h ago

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hn_acker•1h ago
The original title is:

> Judge grants order barring feds from altering or destroying evidence in Pretti shooting

justarobert•56m ago
Well that is reassuring. This administration has demonstrated an excellent track record of respecting and following judicial orders.
optimalsolver•51m ago
I smiled when I saw the NYT headline asking for an "independent inquiry". Are they living in an alternate reality? These guys are not gonna give two fucks about what some toothless committee concludes three years from now.
_def•55m ago
Why is that even needed, honestly? Like is "destroying or altering evidence" usually legitimate or what?
lotsofpulp•51m ago
Sounds like federal government employees blocked access to the crime scene to state and local government employees. Presumably, this “order” is to help facilitate access without violence between federal and non federal government employees.
cdrnsf•50m ago
The agencies in question are unlikely to face any accountability. The agencies that would typically investigate something like this are no longer independent and, instead, are headed by feckless Trump loyalists. It doesn't matter whether it's legitimate, it matters whether it serves their ends. If they cared about process or the law they wouldn't have been labeling the victim a domestic terrorist within minutes of ICE agents murdering him.
OutOfHere•40m ago
A future administration absolutely can and should prosecute every single ICE employee.
tlb•35m ago
Deleting data according to a pre-defined schedule (often 90 days) is legitimate and standard. It's good that agencies do this, to limit exposure due to data breaches. And it's normal for courts to issue a preservation order for specific data relevant to a potential case.

It'd be better if the courts could actually deal with the case now instead of in 1-5 years, but alas.

Jtsummers•22m ago
> (often 90 days)

Not for government agencies. Data retention generally goes much longer than that, usually measured in years or decades, not days or weeks.

tlb•15m ago
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/poli... has a list of police body cam retention policies. 90 days is pretty common, though it ranges from 30 days to 5 years.

Documents are kept longer. But a court needs to think about the shortest possible retention time that any agency might have for any kind of evidence.

Jtsummers•10m ago
From your link's subheading:

> This chart includes categories for how long video is kept if it does not contain evidence of a crime [emphasis added]

So yes, some things are short (I did write "usually" for a reason), but even your link doesn't claim that video of a killing would be deleted in 90 days. It's evidence, 90 days would be ridiculously short for retaining evidence.

Even for people who don't think the ICE agents committed a crime, the ICE agents and DHS have claimed that this was the outcome from actions by a "domestic terrorist" which certainly makes it evidence of a crime from their own perspective.

jjallen•54m ago
Not sure why anyone thinks a judges order is worth anything in the USA anymore. I am not reassured at all.
2muchcoffeeman•54m ago
Why was such an order needed? Seems like this should be the default and if you are caught tampering, straight to jail.
acdha•50m ago
This prevents them from pleading ignorance or incompetence. There’s no way to say you didn’t know that you needed to keep records when a federal judge very specifically ordered you to do so.
dpkirchner•46m ago
What punishment will they actually receive when they defy this order?
acdha•14m ago
That’s quite the national question more broadly but I look at it this way: if the administration and the Roberts court go all-in on a coup, there’s not going to be accountability without a lot of pain. In that scenario, this doesn’t matter except as evidence for some future tribunal.

However, these guys aren’t Mussolini, Franco, Salazar, etc. on their rise to power. The guy at the top is starting as a struggling octogenarian who even in his prime had an entire professional career based not on hard work but tax evasion and barratry. Most of his top delegates were selected for their social media profiles, not competency, and even within the right a lot of people disliked them personally even if they’re willing to overlook that for power. His supporters are quite loyal but are also being hit by a lot of his policies in ways which are hard to ignore.

That makes me think there are a range of scenarios where this does matter, as we can see right now. Cops tend to support Republicans but a number of them are stepping up to say this is outside of their professional standards. A lot of “law and order” suburban voters are seeing these videos not just as something they don’t approve of–especially the “he had a legal gun so we had to execute him” defense–but also recognizing that the administration completely lied about that and we know only because of the kind of evidence at risk here.

The Roberts court has taken significant moves to empower Trump, but it seems like they’re hedging their bets in key areas: note how the shield against prosecution was conditional leaving them an easy way to find the opposite in any future case, and how much of their support has been shadow docket moves designed to delay without setting a permanent precedent. I think they’re recognizing the fragility of the current administration and leaving a backup plan for the autogolpe failing.

Things like this force the administration’s supporters to be more open about what they’re doing, in ways which risk losing their less die-hard supporters. Blowing off a court order forces SCOTUS to either rule against the administration or go on the record inventing a new way the executive branch is above the law. I think they know that’s risky at a time when a majority of the country is starting to realize exactly what’s at stake.

bluGill•50m ago
Destroying data when it is no longer needed is a good thing. So the very first thing that happens whenever there is a possibility of something going to court is the court orders everyone to not delete relevent information.

this should just be a formality. However if someone is trying to cover sonething up they can't say it wasn't because they throw everything away.

croisillon•45m ago
epstein's bff will start prophylactic pardonning any and all ICE thugs
hippo22•49m ago
I don’t think this belongs on HN. There isn’t a compelling technical angle and there are plenty of other venues to discuss politics.
acdha•45m ago
The technical angle which is most of interest to me are building systems which preserve evidence. For example, how do you build a cloud sync service which prevents someone other than the owner of the phone from deleting videos without the owner’s consent (or in ways which allow them to regain access after being released) while still allowing people to delete things they might not want a hostile government to see. There are no silver bullets here but some really interesting trade offs.
hippo22•44m ago
None of that is present in the article, however, which essentially consists of a restatement of the headline. This post is essentially engagement bait.
happytoexplain•41m ago
There is a line across which happenings are universally relevant, and we have crossed it. This is especially important on platforms that are ostensibly enlightened.

There are borderline zero viable platforms for political discourse. Do not try to censor discourse here.

hippo22•5m ago
Try Reddit. You’ll see this exact topic discussed nearly indefinitely.
happytoexplain•4m ago
I'm not interested in their discourse.

Topics != community. But that's obvious - there's no reason to ignore that fact unless you're trying to insult somebody for petty reasons.

hippo22•2m ago
Try Facebook
elpocko•40m ago
You click 'flag' and move on. It's not worth it.
jemmyw•5m ago
why even do that? just leave it for people who want this discussion. enough voted it up to get on the home page.
krapp•40m ago
Hacker News doesn't require a compelling technical angle.

This is a civil discussion, no flamewar, and yet it still gets flagged.

b00ty4breakfast•45m ago
These judges can spend the rest of eternity issuing these orders but there is no mechanism to enforce it since the current administration has shown a complete disregard for precedence and mores.

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