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Ask HN: What's the Point Anymore?

12•fnoef•1h ago
I love technology. But I'm no longer optimistic about the future. It seems like AI is not going to go away, and instead of building reliable software, managers seem to push people to use AI more, as long as they ship products. Everything else is being destroyed by AI: art, music, books, personal websites. Why read a blog post, when Google AI Summary can just give you the summary? Why read a book, when you can just get AI summary of it? Why pay artists for music, when you can just generate endless amount of AI music?

And even things like "doing day to day chores" are being automated away with tools like ClawdBot. The only thing you are left to do is to eat and take a sh*t throughout the day. How should people make money? No idea, as in the "prosperous future", everything is replaced by AI.

So my question HN: What's the point anymore? Why keep going and where to?

Comments

jjgreen•1h ago
No point, buy tinned food and head for the darkest part of the forest.
embedding-shape•1h ago
Do you read a book just so you know what happens at the end, or because you like the journey there too? Do you read blog posts "just to know" or because you like reading?

Sure, if you don't like reading, then it's great you don't have to. But personally I like to read, and be taken on an adventure by writers, that's why I read, I don't read just so I "know what happened".

So everything remains the same, nothing has changed. Nothing been destroyed by AI, it only seems to have destroyed your own perspective.

fnoef•1h ago
You don't get it. You, and I, are in the minority. How do you expect authors to keep writing, when the market will be, eventually, flooded by AI generated slop? It's the same with coding: I no longer see point to write OSS by hand, as every day, 10 projects appear on HN front page, that are 95.9% AI generated.

Becoming a successful writer / musician, is already hard. With software, it was easier, but in my opinion, it will become hard as well. There will be individuals in the software development who are like Taylor Swift, because they know how LLMs work, and how to optimize them to squeeze one more KPI. The rest will just be nobodies.

And sure, if you think you are an extraordinary person, or you were born in the right environment, then you probably don't have to worry. But I'm an average Joe, who wants to live an average Joe's life, but it's being taken away from me. And while the select few might have access to a live Taylor Swift performance, or a personal reading of the latest novel by a struggling author, the rest of us are going to be fed AI slop.

embedding-shape•46m ago
I think you don't get it :) I've written more about how I see it being here: https://emsh.cat/good-taste/

To repeat, I'm not worried. Making music might be easier than before, but having "Good Taste" isn't easier than before, it's still hard. And good stuff isn't just produced and made, they have decisions and choices behind them, and make the wrong ones, your thing ends up sucking.

If you just care about average content then yes, you can probably live on slop. But do you want to? Because no one is forcing you, there is still high quality stuff out there, produced by people with good taste, and it'll remain like that forever.

fnoef•30m ago
It's a good read, thanks for sharing. But the flaw in it, is the fact that you think that the world is built on merit, i.e. Good Taste, as you call it.

And while sure, merit / good taste are important, but if you look at the mainstream it's filled with average. Now, from the consumer side you can claim "what do you care about the mainstream, just look for good taste, and you will find it", and I agree with you. But I do not speak about the consumer side, but rather the producer side. As a producer, I want to produce "good taste", but if there is very little demand for good taste things, I might struggle to sustain myself while producing based on merit.

In the end, the reason enshittification exists, is because "good taste" stuff became too popular and the authors decided to capitalize on it (can't blame them when you have a mortgage to pay, and family to feed), and turn it into "mainstream crap".

I guess the point I'm trying to make, is that creating good taste is not easy. And it will become even harder as the mainstream will expand and capture AI generated content, leaving people who believe in creation based on merit, fighting for the crumbs.

embedding-shape•3m ago
> But the flaw in it, is the fact that you think that the world is built on merit, i.e. Good Taste, as you call it.

That's not a fact, because I never said this, nor is it in the article. What from the article made you believe that I think that?

RiverCrochet•7m ago
Flooded markets get bypassed. I see a future where real creatives simply don't post stuff online, and anything online is not trusted. What AI is going to kill is the Internet, not human creativity.
FrankWilhoit•1h ago
The point is to cultivate the ability to distinguish between real and fake. Soon enough, that ability will be extremely rare, and for the people who really need it, nothing else will do.
mmarian•1h ago
Sounds like you're getting burned out by too much hype-chasing. Follow your interests, and you'll always discover something that AI hasn't solved by itself. And keep in mind that people have always had these concerns whenever something new came along - photography, computers, etc.
fnoef•58m ago
This is different. AI is not a "personal computer" or a "digital camera". AI is a change in perspective of our entire society, how it works, and what we define to be human or human-made creation. The end goal of AI is to abolish all work possible. In a world where there is no work for the common man, I'm afraid to imagine what is left there.
embedding-shape•44m ago
> AI is a change in perspective of our entire society, how it works, and what we define to be human or human-made creation.

There are two things you're mixing here.

One is how others use AI, the other is how you use AI. No one forcing you to consume content made by AI that you think suck, just turn it off if you don't like it.

Seems really doomsday-like to proclaim "The end goal of AI is to abolish all work possible" when that's not realistically feasible, regardless of what the AI-hypers say. Don't listen so much, and think more.

boxed•54m ago
> Why read a blog post, when Google AI Summary can just give you the summary?

Because the summary is often wrong, and the summary might not even be the point?

> Why read a book, when you can just get AI summary of it?

You've been able to read a good summary by a human for most books on Wikipedia for decades now.

paperplaneflyr•50m ago
Going to the example used thousands of times, maybe the horse drivers thought the same way, but guess what? now we have cars, race cars, super cars, flying cars. The engine kept changing, car markets kept evolving. People kept adapting. Adapting is the only way or the Penguin way :P
ml_visoft•41m ago
Imho there are still tasks that can't be done by AI good enough. Wouldn't let clawbot handle my personal relationships. Not even scheduling a football [or dota2] game. Yet alone navigate job. So, maybe level up the goal post? Try do something not-easily-done by AI? Select from your fringe interests [if core is AI powered already]. Anyway, it is a relevant question these days.
the_jizzler•40m ago
only thing left is... to take a sht

Oh what I wouldn't give to push one out, you entitled pos -- AI.

worldsavior•33m ago
People still appreciate human art. People don't appreciate AI art because it's fake. If you enjoy AI art, you're probably fake and have no appreciation. That's my take.

Just remember that AI can not create art, it can only remember art. AI is not a human, AI is a probabilistic function.

AnimalMuppet•6m ago
> instead of building reliable software, managers seem to push people to use AI more, as long as they ship products.

That can work for some things. Some things don't actually need reliability. That automated tool that's going to help a dozen people in accounting? Yeah, it's got a buffer overflow, which also can be used for a DOS attack, but who cares? (Unless someone like an AI exposes it to the internet...)

For things where reliability does matter, AIs may be a fad for a couple of years, but it won't last, for exactly the reasons you mention. For a bunch of things, reliability really matters. For those places, you cannot be replaced by AI. Migrate to those places.

That leaves the problem of the next couple years. You may need to look for places that understand, today, that reliability matters more than fast slop.

> Why read a book, when you can just get AI summary of it?

I mean... for books (and movies) that I'm mildly interested in but don't want to take N hours to wade through, I've been reading the Wikipedia summaries for a while. AI is here now, but I still go to Wikipedia, because I actually trust it more than the AI summary.

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