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Netbird a German Tailscale alternative (P2P WireGuard-based overlay network)

https://netbird.io/
109•l1am0•1h ago

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oaiey•58m ago
Sweet. Alternatives are always something good.
lwde•52m ago
But it's missing a tailscale funnel like feature, right? That's one of the main features that I use for some home assistant instances.
Galanwe•48m ago
Agree, I use funnels and serves a lot as well. Very useful for homelabers.
ethangk•41m ago
Out of curiosity, why? I use TS for all my homelab bits (including my HA instance), but connect to TS before opening the HA app. Is it just a case of making it easier/ possible to connect if you’re on another VPN? Are you not concerned with having something from your local network open to the internet?
Galanwe•37m ago
I use funnels for things like Vaultwarden, that are secure enough to be exposed on internet, and would be cumbersome if behind the tailnet.

I use serve for everything else, just for the clean SSL termination for things that should stay within the telnet, like *arr stacks, immich, etc.

ethangk•27m ago
Ah neat, that makes sense. Thanks.

Do you have anything that’ll trigger a notification if there’s suspicious traffic on your local network? I may be overly paranoid about exposing things on my local network to the internet.

Galanwe•14m ago
Not really, but these stuff are in an isolated DMZ vlan, so theres not much to escalate to.

I fancy a bit upgrading to a smarter router like unify's with integrated firewall and stuff like like though.

edentrey•15m ago
After a decade with KeePass, I’ve finally moved to Vaultwarden. I’ll admit, self-hosting such a critical service still feels a bit scary, but the seamless syncing across all my devices is a huge upgrade. To balance the risk, I keep it tucked safely behind Tailscale for that extra peace of mind.
thenaturalist•38m ago
Besides the solid product, Misha & Maycon are just great and friendly people to work with.
estsauver•32m ago
There's also https://pangolin.net/ which is kind of similar, and I believe a YC company.
OtomotO•24m ago
Does that have ties to the US? If so it's not playing in the same ballpark.

US citizens may not be aware, but due to POTUS "made and maintained in Europe" is becoming more and more important to EU.

edentrey•12m ago
I see Pangolin has a Self-Host Community Edition, doesn't that already give something over digital sovereignity for EU users? I am considering both for a migration from Tailscale, any suggestion on their differences?
Benedicht•28m ago
Using it self hosted for almost a year now, no issues, just works for me.
FloatArtifact•22m ago
If the VPN connection would stay connected despite having it set up that way in the web UI.. It would be a good product.

Still haven't figured out how to do Termux on Android with netbird ssh yet.

edentrey•17m ago
can you please elaborate on this? I use termux on android with tailscale and it works flawless, is it not possible on Netbird?
edentrey•20m ago
Tailscale is the only non-self-hosted part of my setup now and this has bugged me since. I use a custom Nameserver rule to point all my subdomains to a Caddy container sitting on my Tailnet. Caddy handles the SSL and routes everything to the right containers. I skipped Tailscale Funnel on purpose; since these are just family services, I’d rather keep them locked behind the VPN than open them up to the web. This project looks promising as a replacement for my current setup and for its digital sovereignity of self hosting the server. I'm looking to manage several embedded devices remotely via Tailscale, but I've hit a major roadblock: the 90-day maximum expiration for Auth Keys. Constantly renewing these tokens is a significant maintenance burden, so I'm searching for a more permanent, 'set-and-forget' solution for my remote hardware.
tass•12m ago
Tailscale allows you to disable the expiration time - I do this for my gateways.

My other simplifier is having everything at home get a .home dns name, and telling Tailscale to route all these via tailnet.

edentrey•7m ago
can you please tell me how to disable expiration time? I see auth keys have an Expiration which says it "Must be between 1 and 90 days." I do use a custom domain name as well with a Nameservers rule to have all my services reachable as subdomains of my custom domain.
tecleandor•9m ago
You can manually disable key expiration for hosts in Tailscale, and I think you can do it with tags too...

https://tailscale.com/kb/1028/key-expiry#disabling-key-expir...

hollow-moe•13m ago
I'm currently comparing it with pangolin and headscale for my small scale company infrastructure access. Been running headscale for my own setup for a while but maybe netbird or pangolin might be better for real production.
edentrey•10m ago
I am in the same position but currently using Tailscale and realize how important and critical it has become for my whole family infrastructure. A self-hosted solution which allowed me to use Nameservers and TLS termination as I currently do would be awesome.
vlovich123•13m ago
How does this compare with Defguard? Also European but seems more featureful maybe?
BoredPositron•11m ago
Missing some technical bits to be a true contender for me but I bet they are getting there. That said I've seen so many shadcn based scam sites that my brain starts associating shadcn with scams.
RedShift1•9m ago
I'm really missing something like Cisco DMVPN. A VPN mesh between different routers where all routers have a connection to each other, so that all traffic doesn't have to pass through the hub. And that runs on a router, because all these solutions only run on a regular computer with a complete OS.

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